please help sex my rams

I might be wrong but the second looks more like a male to me,but dont take my word for it :duh:
 
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all male! not on e picture is of a female.

look for red. red belly means female, usually. what i really look for is the black dot. if the whole black dot is colored blue it is a female. if there is an all black spot in the middle of it, it is a female.
 
OK, well they are doing good so far. I wasn't going to get them at first because of my hard water, but the employee at the LFS said they are from a breeder in Seattle(30 miles away from me) so hopefully they will tolerate my water pretty well.

As far as agression so far there has been little to none. One will sometimes try to chase the other but as soon as the other retreats the aggressor does not follow. Other than that they are either doing their own thing or hanging out together. Once I am able to tell them apart I will give them names.

I forgot they are bottom dwellers though so I have them and a south american bumblebee catfish in a 20 high, so nothing happens off the bottom. I guess I need some cardinals or something. I'll wait till the Rams get settled in first.
 
My vote is that they are both males...

Fatten those puppies up with lots of bloodworms, mysis shrimp and a good cichlid pellet. If they begin fighting, you'll probably have to return one to get another with a pink belly...

Cathy
 
yeap, they look like all males to me too..... I'm not well versed in the white rams but I would think the females should still hold the pinkness of the bellies of which these do not.
 
I would also guess males..they also look to be the gold morph of the blue ram..do you know if the breeder called these veiled rams??

I've seen some at a LFS in Puyallup..they also had females of the same morph.
 
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