Mafia #6.....The Play
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OgreMkV
Father of Earth's Next Emperor
Madcrawdad (as Ice requested)... BTW: I'm not going to quote everything... if it's OK, I'll list the post number, put what I think is important in quotes and my comments after. If you want to read the whole post, feel free.
1st post (#141) agrees with Coler about Mike's wierdness
2 - (#174) votes to lynch Sway based on the "Oh My God You Suck FOr Voting For Me" vote from Sway to JohnLarson.
3 - (#178) responds to Sway. "Not defending anyone....Actually don't really care who voted for you. You're the one who carelessly tossed the vote back. Says to me that you're more interested in doing your own thing, than actually helping the town find mafia."
4 - (#210) calls Mike out as a liar (because he said something that wasn't true). "If you're lynched and end up innocent, you're an innocent the town can live without...."
5 - (#235) another response to mike's wierdness
6 - (#304) "Kind of funny, but did anybody notice how MikenDanielle and Swayde (who were the top 2 vote getters at the time) JUMPED at the chance to vote for JudgeMax?"
7 - (#453) "Must say that I'm a little surprised to see the often free-thinking Ice so willing to line up behind Coler on Day 1. To go from saying to Coler "Not so sure I see it, man," to "I'll go back an re-read and see if I can make myself agree with you," to "Yeah man, I see it," is really out of character."
There were some other comments about his voting and that he refuses to flip-flop votes.
8 - (#472) "{Coler, you don't really believe that MND is an innocent, do you? Keep in mind, that any mafia when cornered can say something similar. In this game we lynch mafia when we find them, not keep them in the game regardless of who they may hint at being.
Still keeping my vote on Swayde even though it may cost me... Just wanted to show the folks lining up behind Coler who they were standing behind....Coler: Protector of Mafia."
9 - (#524) {DAY 2 MORNING} "Brilliant Ice, what a GREAT way to distance myself..... call him a 'mafia lover' right before he gets whacked."
Also against the JMax vote.
Comments on post #276 from Coler about how COler's game switches completely at this point.
Comments on how the doctor must have felt Mike was innocent because interfered with a town lynch.
10 - (#553) "Thought that Ice and DP were at the top of your list a couple of hours ago. No choice but to vote for Madcrawdad now? Hah....you little mafia snitch-boy."
This is the famous quote. Does mad believe that Mike is the snitch now?
11 - (# 634) "Here's my current list of mafia suspects. No particular order.
1. Swayde -for reasons listed previously.
2. MikenDanielle - has hinted that he's the snitch, and the snitch is mafia.
3. JPappy - switched vote to me very late last night. Not questioning the vote, just the timing.
To watch:
Z - game's a little different--not as straight-forward as in the past. A little more into floating ideas, and seeing which ones stick with the townies.
Ogre - simply for the quick vote switch off of MND and onto Ice with little provocation. seemed a little rash for Ogre"
OK, does everyone follow that? Now someone explain to me... as to a small child... what about this makes Mad mafia.
I'm not saying that I'm declaring Mad pure as driven snow or anything, but nothing in here strikes me as mafia. I did not include every post... there were several social comments and a bit of tiffing with Mike that I didn't include here.
Someone (jpappy, bkw, Cory) double check me here. I just don't see it.
1st post (#141) agrees with Coler about Mike's wierdness
2 - (#174) votes to lynch Sway based on the "Oh My God You Suck FOr Voting For Me" vote from Sway to JohnLarson.
3 - (#178) responds to Sway. "Not defending anyone....Actually don't really care who voted for you. You're the one who carelessly tossed the vote back. Says to me that you're more interested in doing your own thing, than actually helping the town find mafia."
4 - (#210) calls Mike out as a liar (because he said something that wasn't true). "If you're lynched and end up innocent, you're an innocent the town can live without...."
5 - (#235) another response to mike's wierdness
6 - (#304) "Kind of funny, but did anybody notice how MikenDanielle and Swayde (who were the top 2 vote getters at the time) JUMPED at the chance to vote for JudgeMax?"
7 - (#453) "Must say that I'm a little surprised to see the often free-thinking Ice so willing to line up behind Coler on Day 1. To go from saying to Coler "Not so sure I see it, man," to "I'll go back an re-read and see if I can make myself agree with you," to "Yeah man, I see it," is really out of character."
There were some other comments about his voting and that he refuses to flip-flop votes.
8 - (#472) "{Coler, you don't really believe that MND is an innocent, do you? Keep in mind, that any mafia when cornered can say something similar. In this game we lynch mafia when we find them, not keep them in the game regardless of who they may hint at being.
Still keeping my vote on Swayde even though it may cost me... Just wanted to show the folks lining up behind Coler who they were standing behind....Coler: Protector of Mafia."
9 - (#524) {DAY 2 MORNING} "Brilliant Ice, what a GREAT way to distance myself..... call him a 'mafia lover' right before he gets whacked."
Also against the JMax vote.
Comments on post #276 from Coler about how COler's game switches completely at this point.
Comments on how the doctor must have felt Mike was innocent because interfered with a town lynch.
10 - (#553) "Thought that Ice and DP were at the top of your list a couple of hours ago. No choice but to vote for Madcrawdad now? Hah....you little mafia snitch-boy."
This is the famous quote. Does mad believe that Mike is the snitch now?
11 - (# 634) "Here's my current list of mafia suspects. No particular order.
1. Swayde -for reasons listed previously.
2. MikenDanielle - has hinted that he's the snitch, and the snitch is mafia.
3. JPappy - switched vote to me very late last night. Not questioning the vote, just the timing.
To watch:
Z - game's a little different--not as straight-forward as in the past. A little more into floating ideas, and seeing which ones stick with the townies.
Ogre - simply for the quick vote switch off of MND and onto Ice with little provocation. seemed a little rash for Ogre"
OK, does everyone follow that? Now someone explain to me... as to a small child... what about this makes Mad mafia.
I'm not saying that I'm declaring Mad pure as driven snow or anything, but nothing in here strikes me as mafia. I did not include every post... there were several social comments and a bit of tiffing with Mike that I didn't include here.
Someone (jpappy, bkw, Cory) double check me here. I just don't see it.
Hey Ice, get ready to look really silly tomorrow if I'm lynched....your whole game to date is going to crumble. At least promise me that if I'm lynched, you'll eat that shiny new 'Top Mafia Hunter' cap you bought for yourself and keep pointing out to the townies.
Coler made a serious error in judgement, and you just jumped on because he asked you to.....I sure hope you're mafia, because otherwise you've got no excuses when it all comes down around you.
My list of Mafia suspects in no particular order:
Dwarf Puffer-Seemed so eager to play, proclaims innocence then disappeared off of game thread for a long while after Mike's PM post.
Swayde-Trying to appear as a townie, but revenge votes JL. Very quick to draw attention from herself. Very quick to get on the Judge bandwagon. Did not cast a final vote.
Madcrawdad-Made a late post about Coler being the protector of Mafia, more displeased with Mike for being the alleged snitch than the average townie. I know this is weak but he's also Coler's top pick and I don't think Coler is the Don.
And Swayde, I'm glad I was on your top 5, but it just goes to show how far you're willing to stretch to make others seem suspicious. Really, when I posted Coler's list, his last post was just 8 posts previous, so I figured pple would remember that far back in their readings. And I did say it was one of Coler's last posts. And incidentally, according to DP's ghost, the post I quoted (#406) was the one he was "haunting." Could it be that you want to draw attention away from that post 'cause you're on it?
Dwarf Puffer-Seemed so eager to play, proclaims innocence then disappeared off of game thread for a long while after Mike's PM post.
Swayde-Trying to appear as a townie, but revenge votes JL. Very quick to draw attention from herself. Very quick to get on the Judge bandwagon. Did not cast a final vote.
Madcrawdad-Made a late post about Coler being the protector of Mafia, more displeased with Mike for being the alleged snitch than the average townie. I know this is weak but he's also Coler's top pick and I don't think Coler is the Don.
And Swayde, I'm glad I was on your top 5, but it just goes to show how far you're willing to stretch to make others seem suspicious. Really, when I posted Coler's list, his last post was just 8 posts previous, so I figured pple would remember that far back in their readings. And I did say it was one of Coler's last posts. And incidentally, according to DP's ghost, the post I quoted (#406) was the one he was "haunting." Could it be that you want to draw attention away from that post 'cause you're on it?
OgreMkV
Father of Earth's Next Emperor
Now for Sploke (this one is cause I want to... I am missing some much needed sleep for this... I hope someone appreciates it.)
1 - (#181) COmes out with five suspects: Mike, DP, myself, Ice and JohnLarson. list some good reasoning behind these choices.
2 - (#242) comments on Mike's wierdness leans towrds mike as mafia
3 - (#265) more comments on Mike (who wasn't at that time)
4 - (#303) likes the JMax plan...
5 - (#306) votes for JMax
6 - (#432) after clarification from rb, switches vote from JMax to Ice (hmmm... says Ogre)
7 - (#482) {AFTER FIRST NIGHT} comments on losing Coler 'sucks'
8 - (#495) This is a good long, analyzing post. He comments on the intuitiveness of Coler (even though he is on Coler's list), comments on Mad's not voting for JMax, and Coler's post about checking out me and ZSand. Nothing really new, but a good summation of thoughts.
9 - (#517) thinks my view of JMax's lynching is cold, but a valid point of view.
10 - (#531) asks for a clear case against Mike
11 - (#565) says he was in invisble mode... and documents evidence for reasoning
12 - (#614) KOTDs Avatar (LOL) oh and something about JMax not being a suspect or innocent due to lack of posting... she would have to be treated as all other players {I like this comment}
13 - (#641) "
the problem with that theory is that, on the first night, no one ahs gotten results from investigations. the mafia wouldn't have known anything about color other than he was innocent. Also, the detective isn't allowed to contact the doctor as far as I know, other than through the board, in public. Before last night, no one would have known mike's special role, if any. If anyone investigated him last night, they now now his status and any special character."
This is in response to a post by Cory Lover considering that Coler might have been a special role.
14 - (#789) "As usual I'm broadly in agreement with ZS's list. My possible votes for tomorrow -
Still get a funny feeling about Ice, there's so much finger pointing going on, like people are trying to keep us running in circles.
Ogre pushing for "anyone who voted JM is obviously mafia" over the course of a few posts made me uneasy, its too broad a statement to make.
My post this morning explained my feelings about Mad, still have suspicions, especially since so many other apparently do. Although with this many mafia, a lot could be there. I'll review my own posts and see if I still feel the same way tomorrow.
Mike is still driving me nuts, just because he's all over the place. Its hard to hit a moving target, maybe thats the strategy.
Not feeling it too much with swayde, but I haven't been paying particular attention to her, been focused too much on the others mentioned. I'll go back and review her posts and see what I think.
So thats it that jumps out at me, its about time for bed, I'm sure I'll have plenty to catch up on tomorrow morning."
Note the comments about me, mike, ice and z
Again, I've left out some social posts "I'm a newt"? anyway...
I have a very critical question for you sploke. Would you be willing to vote for Mike? Not will you vote for him or change your vote, but would you be willing to vote for him at this time?
Please answer as this will be a very telling comment to me and will greatly influence my vote.
1 - (#181) COmes out with five suspects: Mike, DP, myself, Ice and JohnLarson. list some good reasoning behind these choices.
2 - (#242) comments on Mike's wierdness leans towrds mike as mafia
3 - (#265) more comments on Mike (who wasn't at that time)
4 - (#303) likes the JMax plan...
5 - (#306) votes for JMax
6 - (#432) after clarification from rb, switches vote from JMax to Ice (hmmm... says Ogre)
7 - (#482) {AFTER FIRST NIGHT} comments on losing Coler 'sucks'
8 - (#495) This is a good long, analyzing post. He comments on the intuitiveness of Coler (even though he is on Coler's list), comments on Mad's not voting for JMax, and Coler's post about checking out me and ZSand. Nothing really new, but a good summation of thoughts.
9 - (#517) thinks my view of JMax's lynching is cold, but a valid point of view.
10 - (#531) asks for a clear case against Mike
11 - (#565) says he was in invisble mode... and documents evidence for reasoning
12 - (#614) KOTDs Avatar (LOL) oh and something about JMax not being a suspect or innocent due to lack of posting... she would have to be treated as all other players {I like this comment}
13 - (#641) "
the problem with that theory is that, on the first night, no one ahs gotten results from investigations. the mafia wouldn't have known anything about color other than he was innocent. Also, the detective isn't allowed to contact the doctor as far as I know, other than through the board, in public. Before last night, no one would have known mike's special role, if any. If anyone investigated him last night, they now now his status and any special character."
This is in response to a post by Cory Lover considering that Coler might have been a special role.
14 - (#789) "As usual I'm broadly in agreement with ZS's list. My possible votes for tomorrow -
Still get a funny feeling about Ice, there's so much finger pointing going on, like people are trying to keep us running in circles.
Ogre pushing for "anyone who voted JM is obviously mafia" over the course of a few posts made me uneasy, its too broad a statement to make.
My post this morning explained my feelings about Mad, still have suspicions, especially since so many other apparently do. Although with this many mafia, a lot could be there. I'll review my own posts and see if I still feel the same way tomorrow.
Mike is still driving me nuts, just because he's all over the place. Its hard to hit a moving target, maybe thats the strategy.
Not feeling it too much with swayde, but I haven't been paying particular attention to her, been focused too much on the others mentioned. I'll go back and review her posts and see what I think.
So thats it that jumps out at me, its about time for bed, I'm sure I'll have plenty to catch up on tomorrow morning."
Note the comments about me, mike, ice and z
Again, I've left out some social posts "I'm a newt"? anyway...
I have a very critical question for you sploke. Would you be willing to vote for Mike? Not will you vote for him or change your vote, but would you be willing to vote for him at this time?
Please answer as this will be a very telling comment to me and will greatly influence my vote.
Charlie watches as the drama unfolds. The smugness he felt when he cast his vote on Madcrawdad is gone, replaced by the gnawing feeling of doubt, of uncertainty. "Am i throwing an innocent to the wolves because of a dead mans list?" he wonders. "Am i hastening the mafia's evil work here for them, casting shadows on the innocent?" Charlie is afraid to make a mistake. "The odds are already against us," he thinks aloud, but is still unwilling to change his vote. There is still time to hear Mad's cries (or lies) of innocence but then, theres always a twist around the next corner here in ACville and Charlie is taking nothing for granted.
Ogre, not necessarily saying I believe that MND is the snitch.... I do believe that he has hinted at being the snitch, and Coler believed he was. Note that Coler never disagreed with my accusation, just said that in his mind I was the better choice. Re-read the part where Coler changed his tune on Mike. I just happened to be the closest person nearby when Coler chose to save the snitch.... A little shove in the back from Coler, and it was off to the races
On a side note: Z, I'm starting to like your thinking more on HN, especally on the no vote issue. The guy really jumps on Ice and retracts his vote for me, then claims he forgot he did so.....that's really pretty funny.
As I feel this vote will make a stronger impact tonight, I vote to lynch MikenDanielle
ogre if that question was posed to me i can tell you this... i think mike is innocent sometimes and mafia sometimes (he hinted at being the snitch) he's so across the page its not funny. but i would not vote for him unless i had no other "stronger" suspects that i was more certain of because truth be told i would be guessing his posts seem so wild a case could be made for either. im curious where your going with this...
