Mafia 9: The Bloody Coup

Well here's something I want to discuss, if anyone is interested. At the point of this post a few have agreed that voting for nobody might be a good idea but I had said I didn't think it was a good idea and had put JL on my watch list.
I brought up the idea for a vote for nobody as something to discuss.

I have always been one against it. I am willing to have an open mind and discuss it. I see the reasons not to.

This games dynamics are very different.

A lynching of the president means the game is over. What we will learn is that the game is over.

I am unsure how valuable a list on day one is, or who we can even make a list. It seems the people who are on the hot seat are those that post.

Right now, everyone is on my list as suspects.

I also would like more input on why or why not to vote for nobody from some of the other players. I really thought Ogre would think it was a good idea, but maybe when he wanted to do it in the past when he was mafia.
Here JL admits he thought Ogre would like the idea as Ogre liked it while he was Mafia? To me this indicates JL knows this idea may appeal to fellow Rebels.


I like the 50% chance of hitting rebels.

I do not like the 5% chance of ending the game with a hit on the president.
According to these numbers, there's a 10X better chance of hitting rebel, yet JL is afraid for the president.

I am not even sayinh I am for it, I want to talk about it.

At this stage of the game, talking is the only way to learn.
Sounds like he wants to see how many supporters he can get yet leaving a back door open in case everything goes south.

Now JL is hedging off the idea as Z and Mad has reacted negatively to it.
Mad, thanks for your input. I am not for voting for nobody, I wanted to talk about it. I casted a vote, plus I have always been against voting for nobody. Like I have said, this game is a little different.

I agree that voting for nobody is not good. I just wanted to discus it.

I am not going to worry about the whole invisible thing. I am also not going to worry too much if people are "lurking". I know I have this thread or web site up while at work and I am doing other things. I am sure others do also. I also have a few people from here that I do PM with, so I do not worry about the whole judgemax way of finding people. The power roles need to PM, so her method could have killed a power role, if I remember right, she did have the detective as mafia.

My biggest concern is people not voting. I really think that we, as a country, should make voting mandatory. As a Canadain person once said something like: "If you choose not to choose, you still have made a choice".
Trying to sound patriotic?

This whole "laying low" thing does not help us.

As an American person once said, "Vote early, Vote often".

plantling, I agree that I am not trustworthy.
Is this some sort of admission?

NO ONE IN THIS GAME IS TRUSTWORTHY.


I almost tricked you and mee-mee. ALMOST. Well almost does not count in this game.

I did not propose a no-vote. I wanted to talk about it. This game is about talking about things.

Also, I do not think "my buddy" HN thought a no-vote was a good idea. I also do not think he would think being my buddy was a good idea. As far as this game goes, there are no buddies.
Not sure if HN is your buddy but I have a feeling you do have buddies of the rebellious sort. Wonder if any of them will come out to defend you?

1) I do not see how I am posting any different. Also each game I have played I have had different roles. I was playing different in the WW game, but I was hit early.
Is this another slip up? Seems JL plays differently when having differerent roles and played differently in WW game as an innocent.

2) I agree my list is not much of a list. I wanted to share it as my starting point. I thought it was fairly helpful at this point.
 
Lady G...I too have noticed the Joan--Jpap interplay...or at least that is the impression I get.

I also am having some strange times getting a handle on mee-mee. If I had to list a top suspect, I am afraid she would be near if not at the top for reasons already noted by several others.

A lot of the voting seems to be more a tit for tat issue right now....
 
Well....a list, mainly of gut feel and small things that have already been talked about....other than mee-mee, no particular order...

mee-mee
joander..early voting
jl66..same early voting
jpap....the joan connection

just normal cautions...

DD
plant
kotd
sov
 
lists of rebels?

From what I can see, the following are lists since the start...kind of ignored posts that just talked about one individual of concern and this doen't mean the poster currently has the same point of view....

Zsand in #99 joan kotd Deputy bkw emma

jpap in #185 Deputy joan bkw cory

sploke in #160 joan jpap Lady G

kotd in #171 mee-mee joan

bkw in #174 ogre cory emma

plant in #187 joan Deputy jl66

Lady G in #199 joan jpap emma

rbishop in 313 mee-mee joan jl66 jpap
 
We need all CC's to put up a list and start discussing things..please?
 
Ok, gone through everything....man that gets tedious:drool: anyway I have found something I personaly find interesting, has anyone else noticed (or am I just up to late) there seems to be an "odd" connection between Jo and Jpap?
First of Jo's very first post #39 he Bolds (not just throws out the name) to Lynch Jpap.
Jpap Post #59 comes back (reasonably so) saying Kind of odd reasoning in my opinion.
Jo post #82 comes back and retracts his vote saying to Jpap:ok, jpap like i said, it was just to throw a vote out there.

To be honest i was hoping to get some early train followers.... but my reasoning wasnt really good enough to get anyone to bite it appears.
Ok, this is all good also, explains a little why he did what he did...but did we need a "train" at this point?
Now these post are not all that telling but as the game goes on,
Post #151, Jpap starts with top person on his list is Jo, then at the end of the post he changes (after listing some of DC's post) which really contain nothing "suspicious" IMO says he is NOW his top choice..b/c he doesn't have a list. At this point not many people have posted any kind of list (a couple but not many).
Post #152, Jo comes in and says how no matter what he does people think he's wrong and explains again his reason for voting jpap.
Post # 153, Jpap comes back and says: see your point joander. I think that as of right now you are suspicious mostly because no one else has done anything...
So at this point we have Jo voting Jpap, Jpap naming Jo as top but then saying DC is his top, to Jpap "seeing Jo's point" in voting for him early on.
Post #154 Jo comes back after Jpap posting:well someone has to get the game moving =)
it seems the first day the game starts (real life not game days) that no one says much of anything, just all useless posts hoping that someone will screw up. And in my opinion it is wasted time, especially if no one screws up. We spend so much time looking for a "newbie mistake" but when there's even the slightest chance of one happening, we relentlessly jump on the person who "screwed up" and lynch them out of the town.
Now Jo is not a newbie and he is the only one to really be jumped on so that theory kinda backfires at him.
Then we get to post #175..Jo is trying to defend himself again and voting KOTD now saying: i vote to lynch KOTD

for doing exactly what i wanted him to, and falling into the trap of early lynchers, and train jumpers.
Now unless I missed something KOTD simply added a list of 2 people, didn't vote for anyone or "jump" on a train. If I'm wrong here please correct me. I just didn't see a train jump or early lyncher.
Of coarse KOTD comes back saying Jo just moved to top of his list Post#179
Interestingly here comes Jpap post #180 to "defend" Jo again saying "I wouldn't move Jo up on my list yet"
I may be crazy here, but it seems a pattern is forming between Jo & Jpap?
When KOTD comes back with why he feels this way about Jo, Jpap then says "I get your reasoning"
Then post #196 Jpap finally asks Jo for his reason to vote KOTD although previously in post #183 he "agrees with Jo and has KOTD on his "watch list"
Post #204 Jpap, kinda came out of nowhere it states:I guess I'm just an agreeable person.

It's early and I'm taking everyone's thoughts into consideration. I have put my own opinions in their too. I just agreed with KOTDs point about jo being all fussy when nobody voted for him. He made a good point IMO
Where exactly are your opinions Jpap..you are just following after Jo then KOTD, aside from the post about DC? Please point me in the direction where YOU have made your OWN opinion?
In the end they have both voted for someone different Jo/KOTD and Jpap/DC.
Now maybe I AM reading to much into things here but these two seem to be pretty side by side here on posting and make me very uncomfortable. If anyone thinks I'm wrong please let me know I don't want to throw out false accusations but this was something I noticed and wondered if anyone else found it to be as "odd" as I have?

you bring up some very interesting points here, i have to admit i did not notice this, you are correct in what i have highlighted, no votes from me yet, no trains started by me, i was wrong about jo once and i dont want to make that mistake again, but he has definitely sparked my rebelometer..and now jpappy is thrown into the mix..i uust read a few of his posts after the lynch vote by jo, and i must say..he is playing differenlty than in previous games..hmm
 
as is charlie....big time
 
Ok, here's my "list" for now. There's not a ton to go on yet, but I want to get it out for discussion and reaction.

mee-mee: IMO, she has been very defensive about general observations and seemed to be trying to add confusion early. Also the post count that Rb posted is interesting. And, no this is not in "reprisal" for voting for me. That vote without a case was helpful.

CL: Opposite end of the posting spectrum, seems to be jumping in and reading a single page to get a quick meaningless post out. Z's analysis seemed on point.

Deputy: Same as above and quick to vote.

DD: Just kind of a gut feel on this, but I could be wrong. Her posting style seems like previous games, but she always makes me nervous.

JL: Something just doesn't seem right. I'll re-read and try to post my reasons.

Sov: Her defense of being questioned last night took awhile (could be valid reasons for that), but even when it did come, it was weak IMO. Also, I think she's played enough not to have to do the "I don't get it" thing anymore.

I'd like to see other CCs thoughts today. I'll not vote yet, but if I had to it would be squarely on mee-mee.

/// List Off ///

Plantling- I made a mistake in addressing you about the "me dying early thing". I was actually referring to a list that JL posted (217). Sorry, I had alot of catching up to do after work and my notes apparently were wrong.
 
Charlie -1- Jl (89)

KOTD- 1- Joander (175)

Jl- 1- Ogre (279)

HN-1- mee mee(280)

Jo-2-DD (287),DC(306)

DC-1- Jpappy(288)

Sorvan-1-Zsand (232)

With about 10 hours left

8 out of 20 votes in.

YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Here's my list of suspected Rebels:

JL-as per my previous post

DD-quick to agree w/JL about voting for nobody and voting for JO even after he has tried a few times to explain his early vote

DC-as mentioned earlier not much substance to posts and quick to follow DD's vote for JO


Plantling- I made a mistake in addressing you about the "me dying early thing". I was actually referring to a list that JL posted (217). Sorry, I had alot of catching up to do after work and my notes apparently were wrong.
It's alright HN. I think the only games I've played w/you are Games 4 and 6. In 4 you were the last Mafia and Judge and myself and I'm not sure who else pegged you. In Game 6, I was also a townie, so was not responsible for your demise. And for now I'm thinking you are a fellow CC and quite helpful, too IMO.
 
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