Zombies -- Mafia #11

[johnlarson66]

Nice catch LG. That makes JL look a bit more suspicious now and you a bit less.

Well my point about posting and not voting can apply to KOTD also. I thought he had posted that picture in the sign up thread and had not posted here yet.

What I am saying is if you are going to post, you might as well vote. You can always change your vote. There are more of a good reasons to vote early than to vote late.

Also, I think a vote makes one seem more commited than just tossing out a name and letting others vote.

Speak up and be heard by voting!

 

[Dangerdoll]

You've followed the game enough to believe in LadyG, okay....but what are your thoughts on everyone else? The whole Coler/Ogre incident happend very early in the game and a lot has gone on since then. Is anyone or anything coming across to you as evil? Frankly I don't believe your explanation. I believe you just slipped and let out that you know Lady is innocent to try and get her to help defend you. Out of all the players in the game right now, you seem the most likely to be a zombie to me.

:y220e:
That is completely your right, Sway, but I told you that I have been busy at work and down with a cold, or did you conveniently "miss" that post. But you got it, you will get your list, I have printed the thread out and will thoroughly read up from Night through to now and offer my list. Funny how when life gets into everyone else's way, they are excused....

 

[Lady G]

I hope this doesn't come across as "flinging scum" but, I have noticed also that it seems to be the same 4-5 players posting, where are everyone elses thoughts? Yes, everyone else has posted something but they don't seem to be saying much of anything and I am worried this whole exchage between these few people, are making it easy for them to stay low.

I am revising my list at this time (I'm almost afraid to) since everything I say seems to have no value to anyone except to say I'm evil for pointing things out. I guess if you deem me evil for it so be it, at least I can say I tried (and mean it).
So because of recent postings at this time, I am going to say that my thoughts on Orge may of been more clouded by the exchange between him and Coler in the begining, maybe it just threw me off the way Orge came off on Coler so quickly and so mean. I am not saying I think he is 100% innocent..but at this time I am going to lean him more innocent then evil, I have a feeling his post's were to try and help..I could be wrong but at this time that is what I am thinking.

As far as DC, I am going to lower him on my list also, this too does not an any way mean I think him to be 100% innocent either. After reading Ice's post that maybe he just isn't grasping the concept and changes in thinking we need for THIS game could be true, I am also lowering him on my list.

JL well he is staying at the top of my list I think he is evil pure and simple. I see absolutly nothing about him that make me see differnent. With every post he makes it shows me more and more how evil he seems. He has written things that were flat out untrue and twisted post's and words to seem they mean something they didn't. I see nothing in any of his post that seem to be helping in anyway. If there is someone show me please cause I am NOT seeing it.

Now that brings me to looking at other ppl,

Ewurm he hasn't posted any real thoughts of his own. His post mainly consist of agreeing with others, not that agreeing w/ someone else is all in itself bad...I don't see it that way, BUT when you post nothing of your own thoughts that is when it bothers me.

BKW, seems to be laying low also..yes he does this but we really need thoughts here, and in the games I have played and he was evil this benifited him well...hell the whole town was surprised that he was Head of the team I was on with him.

Jpap, well it's hard to say...he hasn't said much but what he has posted has made me lean him more innocent.

DD, she is a hard one for me. Although I have played both good and evil with me I still have a hard time reading her and as I have stated before, I don't think there was a game I have played that she didn't at least seem evil to me because of the way she posted. As far as her post toward me being innocent..IMO it was just the fact ppl were trying to say I seem evil and she doesn't I think it was more of a not wanting ppl to vote someone innocent than anything else. She is good at this game and I'm sure she knew a post like that would draw attention to her, I highly doubt she would take that chance if evil..I could be wrong but that is what I think.

 

[jpappy789]

Jl is moving up to my list. This has already been pointed out but I want to make my reasoning clear...earlier in the day he basically said that night one voting isn't important, or something to that effect, then votes ewurm for being a viking's fan...

Then he comes around and blames me, swayde and Ice for lynching Charlie who was an innocent who was going to die anyways. And he continues it...

Then he says to vote early because you can always change it...but what if you aren't around to change it? Is voting early with no info better than waiting until you are more sure that your vote is well placed?

It is too late to talk about this pertaining to CS, king or guppy as they didn't vote and are dead so why aren't you dropping the subject jl?

A little hypocrictical don't you think?

Right now my list is (in no order really)

DC- the way he acted yesterday in response to the CS vote. I get why he wouldn't like the vote but the way he acted right after the lynching bothers me
JL- reasons stated above
bkw- not sure what his only post today means...posted below

1. We were all confused as to why the ones who didn't vote weren't dead yet, as that was why we consisdered voting for CS in the first place. I was more looking for a reaction from CS and I explained that in my posts, but even if he didn't show up I would keep my vote because I wasn't sure on anyone else. When it seemed like he wasn't going to show up the discussion came up about lynching someone who would die anyways. (go back and read if you still don't understand)

2. I don't think that rb would have let the rules slide. He probably just forgot. He's human...

3. I posted at the exact same time as swayde who posted one minute after Ice, and all of our posts pertained to why the non-voters weren't dead at the time. You need to double check your info before making an excuse to "look into me"

Im guessing one of these folks are a zombie......

Ice posted a good question, Swayde post seem to be made at the same time as ice. JPs post seems to be in response to either swaydes/ice post.

It did seem tht RB either forgot about the rule or was goin to let em slide, until it was brought up again.

I doubt ppl who communicate outside the thread will make the same post, so that leave me lookin at JP.

If I were LV I would probably turn DD or BKW, but who knows what is going through their head. So I decided not to look into this that much even though I initially brought it up.

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[Lady G]

Well my point about posting and not voting can apply to KOTD also. I thought he had posted that picture in the sign up thread and had not posted here yet.
Ummm, but not to Guppy??

What I am saying is if you are going to post, you might as well vote. You can always change your vote. There are more of a good reasons to vote early than to vote late.
I do understand what you are saying about not being able to get back in time to vote..but this is a 48hr day, I don't see how it makes a difference right now at this point in the game. Also if I do post who I want to lynch then change my mind later..I have to answer all the "why did you switch" questions especially if the person I switched to ended up innocent.

Also, I think a vote makes one seem more commited than just tossing out a name and letting others vote.

Speak up and be heard by voting!

Scalping for a who you want to turn are ya??? Sorry that is just what I get from these Vote now posts...yes if it were another 24hr day I could see it, but we have a whole nother day to go I don't see the urgency

 

[ewurm]

]Man, if that was cahoots, I must have misread the definition of the word. I guess it 'could' be two evils arguing, but 1) why would we do it on the first day 2) Why would it be so obvious that I freaked?

Basically, that's what happened, I freaked out. You guys have seen it before. I think it's pretty different than when I play the bad guy, but I'm biased too,

I also thought this arguing with Coler was possibly a cover and possibly meant to alleviate suspicion early. My money is on Ogre right now. I just need to see more before the bell.

 

[Swayde]

:y220e:
That is completely your right, Sway, but I told you that I have been busy at work and down with a cold, or did you conveniently "miss" that post. But you got it, you will get your list, I have printed the thread out and will thoroughly read up from Night through to now and offer my list. Funny how when life gets into everyone else's way, they are excused....

Well in the past I've been lynched for being busy IRL. As a matter of fact I got lynched night 1 of a game because of my son's birthday, because I happend to remind people I would be busy and not able to post much. That's just the nature of this game apparently. So I think this whole "Funny how when life gets into everyone else's way, they are excused" is bull. Typically people who have RL obligations and are unable to participate much and use their RL obligations as excuses for why they can't post much it causes major suspicion and they become targets for both evils and innocents to latch onto because it's convenient.

You seem to be able to keep up quite fine though IMO, especially compared to BKW and Ewurm who are posting next to nothing. I'm not suspicious of you because of your lack of posting necessarily, you don't normally post a whole lot, but what you have posted so far seems to be stirring up of hornets nests or fanning flames, it's more like you are trying to incite stuff rather than offer any actual thoughts or opinions and that is extremely worrisome to me.

 

[Madcrawdad]

As promised, here's some of the quotes I've found that seem to link DD with Lady G


In this post DD claims that she thinks Lady G is innocent, because DD can 'tell' when LG plays the bad guy. WRONG! If you don't believe me, go back and read the vamp game again.

There was a post exchange between DD and LG, where LG (as scum) went after Z and DD based on some of their posts around the time Mee-mee was lynched. DD got a little defensive and tried to flip Lady G's comments back to her. Lady G then gave it to DD with both barrels and flipped everything back harder. DD then apologized to LG for the way she seemed to come across so hard on LG.

Lady G had just dumped a 5 gallon bucket of scum on DD's head, and DD was apologizing to her....It was brilliant. DD didn't have a clue that LG was scum. The only way that she got caught was because she had to rally around rb when he was 'outed'.

So after all that, I don't believe that DD has as good of an ability to read LG as she claims she does...

My further thoughts after watching, I think Lady G is innocent. Why? Well, I've watched her in previous games, I think I have pretty much nailed her when she is evil and she does not goof up in the slightest or make herself so wide spread in the threads. I mean, she does but not like this. She doesn't do defensive runs and the like, not G.

Here's a quote where Lady G seems to be whispering that DD is probably innocent, (and maybe Mad is scum). Now everyone knows that in the game of mafia, all is not what is seems to be. But why point out that last game DD seemed scummy but she really wasn't, and Mad didn't, but he really was?
Is she implying that if DD looks scummy she's probably not...if Mad looks like a townie he's probably not?

Am I the only one who notices that LG likes to give just that little extra bit of information at times?

So with these last postings I think (sure it's obvious) but just in case it is not:
My top suspects would have to be,
JL
DC
Ogre
The only thing with Ogre and why I haven't voted him is the fact that maybe, just maybe his is the closest to innocent of the 3 depending on how you look at his post. After last game, I had Mad as innocent, and DD Vamp I was almost positive with that, then I was turned and found out it was just the opposite. I know by saying this someone is going to say I'm being hypocritical..but it is just the way I feel about it right now.

Once again, last game DD looked scummy, but wasnt. Mad looked innocent, but was scum...

Ok, this is what your response was to the one that said votes were 3,2,2,1,1,. The post wasn't really a question, but I can see where you would answer it. My point was though how many times you have pointed out how/when we could loose. Although this could be good, for innocents...it can also be seen as you pointing out how zombie's could win.
As I said of the 3 you are most likely the one I would lean most innocent, not saying I think you are innocent...obviously I am not sure, and many others are reading you as evil too. Last game really through me off though with the DD, Mad thing as I have pointed out, so I worry a bit how I look at others and how I vote.


I too think DC knew Charlie was innocent. I just don't think he has done anything to "help".



OK, this last one was the one that was in response to someone asking the question.

As it stands LadyG is a significant suspect. I think all of the cases she made were pretty weak. I'm curious that in the case against me, she didn't bring up the Coler/Ogre discussion (ahem) at all.
Everyone is a "significant" suspect Orge. Yes, I believe ppl should look at me too, but I don't see where my cases were "weak" it seems pretty obvious (I would think), I am trying to help point out the bad. A "weak" case would be "I vote so/so because they have fooled me before", that is weak.

I'm starting to wonder if maybe LadyG has been zombie all along and is protecting Coler... maybe a recent turn victim?

Here DD responds to Lady G's post from above regarding the fact that Ogre referred to LG's case against him as weak. DD volunteers to help LG, by going back and digging some info up on Ogre.

hmmm.... I believe it was my cases yesterday that were accused of being "weak" too.... I think there is a pattern. It was either Ogre or Coler that said so, let me go back and find that....

Finally, after Ogre mentions a link between DD and LG, I agree that I also had seen the link. DD responds with this...claims that she is innocent AND LG is innocent. Now how would she know that?

you guys are funny, the only link between Lady G and I is that we are both innocent. Barking up the wrong tree is very correct for you Ogre.

The can deny all they want...the link is there.

 

[jpappy789]

I also thought this arguing with Coler was possibly a cover and possibly meant to alleviate suspicion early. My money is on Ogre right now. I just need to see more before the bell.

Ewurm I haven't found you at all helpful this game. Why not vote ogre and see how he reacts, seeing as that is what you said you were trying to do earlier when you voted for three random people for no reason at all...

 

[Lady G]

Jl is moving up to my list. This has already been pointed out but I want to make my reasoning clear...earlier in the day he basically said that night one voting isn't important, or something to that effect, then votes ewurm for being a viking's fan...

Then he comes around and blames me, swayde and Ice for lynching Charlie who was an innocent who was going to die anyways. And he continues it...

Then he says to vote early because you can always change it...but what if you aren't around to change it? Is voting early with no info better than waiting until you are more sure that your vote is well placed?

It is too late to talk about this pertaining to CS, king or guppy as they didn't vote and are dead so why aren't you dropping the subject jl?

A little hypocrictical don't you think?

Right now my list is (in no order really)

DC- the way he acted yesterday in response to the CS vote. I get why he wouldn't like the vote but the way he acted right after the lynching bothers me
JL- reasons stated above
bkw- not sure what his only post today means...posted below

1. We were all confused as to why the ones who didn't vote weren't dead yet, as that was why we consisdered voting for CS in the first place. I was more looking for a reaction from CS and I explained that in my posts, but even if he didn't show up I would keep my vote because I wasn't sure on anyone else. When it seemed like he wasn't going to show up the discussion came up about lynching someone who would die anyways. (go back and read if you still don't understand)

2. I don't think that rb would have let the rules slide. He probably just forgot. He's human...

3. I posted at the exact same time as swayde who posted one minute after Ice, and all of our posts pertained to why the non-voters weren't dead at the time. You need to double check your info before making an excuse to "look into me"




If I were LV I would probably turn DD or BKW, but who knows what is going through their head. So I decided not to look into this that much even though I initially brought it up.

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Evil and turning innocents that's what is going through their heads Anyway I just wanted to make a comment about naming who we would change if LV. I personaly see no point in it..the only purpose it could serve is us thinking about well they most likely will be turned so let's vote them of (I myself wouldn't do this but there are some that would)..and it gives the LV an idea of who not to change at that time and save for later. The only ones I think this would help is the LV.
What I am interested in and was going to mention a while back but forgot was the whole..when we lynch someone and that person happens to be who the Doc is saving that night the lynch goes to the next person...how can we use this to our advantage?? I have been thinking about this should we begin to look at who may be lynched if/when we vote someone the Doc is protecting??? I'm not sure what to make of this rule, and would like some others insight on this.