Zombies -- Mafia #11

[Coler]

So lets look at JL :

137 (first post was just a welcome in thing this one refers to JL voting ewurm...day one first vote meh)

My ewurm vote has generated a pay-back vote.

hmmm.....

Seems zombish to me.

Either way, it is just day one.

Post 139 : jokey

My top three:

ewurm - for being a Vikings fan, living that close to Canada
Lady G - for bouncing all over the place with her posts
DeputyChiefJR - for posting 3 minutes after leaving Lady G's bedroom

It is day one.

I think I have made my thoughts about day one before. I have used the word random before and have caught lots of slack. This is a day of learning.

I have voted, was it random, no. For whatever reason, no one has role played yet. I voted ewurm, mostly because I think he has a sense of humor and has gotten a good grasp on the game. I am surprised he voted back at me.

At this point, I see no one as jumping out as a zombie and do not think we will. ewurm is as good as a target as anyone else. We are all pretty much suspects at this time. Someone has to go. Whoever it is, I hope we learn from it.

169 : not crazy about the 'no no I'm playing like I always have done' tone

All Aboard!

The lynch johnlarson66 train is ready to leave the station.

I am trying to figure out where the other evidence of people looking like zombies is. So far no one has stuck out much.

The best thing to vote on is my saying there is nothing. Well, that and me having an attitude about day one voting. I have not seen anything really stand out, besides Ogre crazy idea that we should lynch Coler because he is Coler. Besides that it is a bunch of Day One postings. Read the past games to see my thoughts on Day One. Also look at the track records.

If it is my turn to go Day One, then it is. Someone has to go, so I am just as a good as a canidate as anyone else.

Think about this. If on day one I was posting a lot, accusing people of being zombies, reading "in between the lines" on every post and role playing, what would the town say?

They would say "johnlarson66 is playing differently, lets lynch him!"

So if me playing the way I play, gets me lynched on day one, then I will be the guy that gets lynched day one. I am not going to change how I play and I am not going to sweat maybe getting lynched.

This game is not about surviving or not. It is about good vs evil. If I am killed, but the side I am on wins, then I still win. While I like to play. I like to watch others play. It will be hard just to watch, but there will be another game.

Post 270 : JL thanks his lucky stars...unusually votes for Ice even though Ice saved him...strange behaviour...distancing from Ice ?

First off, I really thought I was dead and saw no way for me to not be lynched when I was last online. I felt that my response would go on deaf ears.

I am surprised to find that I am still alive and that Charlie_Stubbs was lynched. I did not see it coming.

I should thank Ice for the swing vote and jpappy and Swayde for their late day moves. Which seems odd, they were voting for each other and then both went to Charlie. Who was bound to die anyway with a no vote, if he failed to vote.

Above jpappy even knows that CS has not voted, but still votes for him.

DC points this out!

I thought I had more votes on me at this time. Also I did not revenage vote anyone. I am not sure who was on me at that time, but I know it was not CS, because he did not vote, so whose company on me did you not like and why did you not vote for them?

Here he talks about this whole wasted vote thing, because he was going to die an untimely death, but it could be a trick od some sort. I am not even sure of the logic, but at this point Ice seems to think that voting for CS would be bad.

Here Swayde votes for CS, also knowing that he might be dying for not voting.

Here Ice goes against what he posted before and votes to lynch a person that has a high chance of not posting, I think there is less than 90 minutes left.

If any of these non-posters would have came in at the last 2 hours and voted, they would have been lynched the next day. I am sure they know and understood. Maybe they did not want to play because they did not have a power role or were not a zombie. Who knows.

Like I posted before, I really thought I was dead and am very very suprised to be around for day two.

Based on what is posted above, my top three are:

jpappy789
Swayde
IceH2O

While they kept me in the game for another day, they also conducted a late in the day swing for a player that was most likely going to die for not voting. Even thou other players had not voted, they focused on CS. I am grateful to them for keeping me in the game, but I am not happy that they lynched an innocent and voted for someone that was going to be killed anyway.

I vote to lynch IceH2O

He went away from his own logic. Mostly in belief that DC is a zombie. I really do not see the case against DC and would like to see his.

Post 292 (there are a couple in between but nothing serious). This one is more interaction with Ice :

Here is a part of a post that has not been answered -



Ice, whose company on me did you not like?

Why did you not vote for them?

To refresh your memory, Mad has created a recap of the votes:



So on me at the time of your change was ewurm and Lady G. Why no did you not like their company? Which one did you not like? Was it both?

Your list of three that you would turn that you said is four, but listed 5 names is:

BKW
JL
Sway
ewurm
jpap

Ice, you are the one that saved me, but you think I am already a Zombie, but it was you that swung it from me to CS.

Post 309 : JL highlights that Ice saved him even though Ice thinks he was a zombie..apparently DC had something to do with that

What is up with everyoe using the word "weak"?

My suspect list is just as good as anyone elses.

I am still not buying the "let's lynch someone that was already dying, atleast they are not a power role" tatic.

This has been discussed and discouraged in other games. Just like voting for no one, it hurts the town. For the three of you to do that within the last 2 hours, seems odd to me.

Plus, Ice, you think I am a zombie, but you saved me. This I do not understand. If I read it right, you voted for CS for two reasons, one DC was against it and he is a zombie so you were for it and two, if CS was going to die for not voting, most likely he was not a power role or a zombie, but it was better than voting for an unknown player that could be innocent or a power role.

If you think I am a zombie, then vote for me. There are plenty others that agree. But to post that I am a zombie and then save me makes no sense.

Even if it was not me, this is odd. How come no one else has seen this or posted about it?

There are then a number of posts...one to Lady G asking her for some actual suspects, some rules chat (doctor/bodyguard) and encouraging people to vote rather than not vote, even if they can't change it later for whatever reason. Some more of this kind of stuff. Nothing very weighty

Post 426 - this could be read as trying to help out the Z's if JL goes; i.e. if he's a Z he has tried to direct lynchings the next day.

A general question:

If I am found to be a zombie, then who are you going to vote for?

My answer is DC and Ogre​

If I am found to be innocent, then who are you going to vote for?

My answer is Ice, Ewurm and Lady G​

Post 426 : JL gives a logical basis for Ice to potentially be a zombie and he not to be.

Ice, here is more confusion on your part.

The main reason I am on you is: You were the vote that saved me (an 11th hour switch), but you think I am a zombie. If you think I am a zombie then why did you not lynch me?

You did not lynch me because you KNOW I am not a zombie. You did not want that held against you later. You did not want part of lynching another innocent. That was your reason for switching.

Post 470 (I've voted for JL at this time)

Coler, most of my posts reek of scumdom, but this is in no way a surrender play. For the record, I thought I was already gone, so this is like borrowed time.

From what you have posted, you have Lady G on every option of zombies.

I vote to lynch Lady G

She is high on my list. My focus on Ice has proved to be non-productive and no one seems to be as concerned as I am about his late switch. I would also go with a vote on ewurm or DD. I have a hunch about ewurm, but he is still fairly new, so it is hard to read him. DD is always a good suspect and her wild claim is odd for her.

I would be okay with lynching any of them.

519 a list : (there was a couple more between these posts, nothing too serious

I am more concerned about Lady G, Ice and ewurm at this point.

I am a little cloudy on the DD stuff, except she claimed to KNOW that Lady G was innocent.

So here is a scaled list:

Ice - 2
lady g - 3
ewurm - 3
dangerdoll - 4
bkw - 5
jl66 - 5
ogre - 5
jpap - 5
sway - 5
coler - 6
Deputy - 6
Mad - 6

I would like to vote for one of my top three.

Last two or three posts are questioning me about my last, where Ice went etc.

Ok...preliminary conclusion : it is perfectly possible for JL to be innocent and Ice a zombie, also...JL does not look much like a zombie to me. However, if JL is a zombie then Ice is definitely a zombie.

 

[Coler]

I can accept... except for the fact that all that was yesterday and my arguement is that Ice was the one turned last night (after the first day's voting).

if he was turned last night he knows who the innocent are.

better play on a turn would be to go get JL lynched, if JL is an innocent.

If JL not an innocent and ice is the turn, then ice knows this hence he is no longer on him. However, this makes JL a zombie and that makes it odds on Ice was in fact a zombie last night. I don't think JL is a zombie.

Also, if Ice is the turn we should be able to get a read on who the others are...say DC and JL...again, I don't feel it for JL

 

[IceH2O]

Ice, so sorry. I missed the one post by GGF which said "I'm back" and the four posts by KOTD that said basically nothing. You're so right... I must be a zombie for having forgotten those five posts... whatever.

Ice, in your original post you asked, "Are you the turn". This statement was after you said "Sure it gives us a lynch of DC for the next day and then we need to find who was turned. Well maybe 2 because they could get another turn." Your next statement is " Are you telling me that none of the evidence presented on JL or DC makes you suspicious of them?" Then the "Are you the turn?"

That's implying that if I agree with you, then I must be OK, but if I don't agree with you, then I must be the turn because, "Up til then you were making sense"


Ice, I still think that you're throwing up as much crap as possible to confuse people. I'm still torn on you and Coler. I'm 90% sure that one of the two of you is zombie. I'm 99.9% sure that DD is mafia. And LadyG is still looking very good for the third.

Rb, official vote count please?

Those aren't the only reasons why I think you maybe Zombie.

The blowup on Day 1, I posted about it but no one wanted to really discuss it. I dropped it but left it in the back of my mind.

After that you seemed helpful but I think you got to cocky and started showing your true colors.

I may let things slide. I may even say I believe you but its not always entirely true. If I suspected you at anytime my suspicions stay until proven otherwise. I may not push for it but it will always be there for when the time is right.




What really makes this game hard is the fact that NO investigations the 1st 2 nights tell us anything. Would have been better if the Lead Zombie only showed innocent the 1st 2 nights but we could see their henchmen. We're basically flying blind and taking one persons word over anothers at this time.

But the zombies can see if they investigate a Power Role. I doubt they would take out a power role with a lynch vote. They would rather wait and try to turn them. If they found one last night they will turn them tonight. Following nights will be a 50/50 so I wouldn't worry about them lynching them then either. They might actually fight to keep one off the block so they can try to turn them.

I can't speak for anyones innocence I only know my own. But it seems like Ogre is trying to get rid of the players he fears most. The plan could have been from the start to take DD and use her as a stepping stone to LG and Me.

If DD is innocent my idea makes no sense and its possible that they just needed an innocent gone and their turn to get rid of 2 more innocents.Except Ogre would be a leading lynch candidate then.

Its the towns choice I believe DD was the turn and the zombies are using it to their advantage. Either they believe Ogre and follow his plan or they believe my idea and see through the Zombies plan.

 

[Coler]

did mad excuse himself from playing i.e. too busy ?

verrrrrry quiet...currently on DD

 

[Coler]

@ice - there is a consensus that DD is the turn/a zombie. A lot of us will have red faces if she is innocent.

If she's zombie I wouldn't look on it at all as being indicative of innocence on the part of those voting for her.

I notice she's not exactly protesting at being lynched.

 

[OgreMkV]

if he was turned last night he knows who the innocent are.

better play on a turn would be to go get JL lynched, if JL is an innocent.

If JL not an innocent and ice is the turn, then ice knows this hence he is no longer on him. However, this makes JL a zombie and that makes it odds on Ice was in fact a zombie last night. I don't think JL is a zombie.

Also, if Ice is the turn we should be able to get a read on who the others are...say DC and JL...again, I don't feel it for JL

OK, so what about the whole DD/LadyG/Ice thing mutual protection and innocence society? [Before Ice freaks out, that's called sarcasm.]

Again, I agree up to a point. But if ice was the turn last night, then he's got to try and drum up support for a JL move. That seemed to be working yesterday (real time), but has since faded. Now he thinks DD is zombie, but refuses to follow me, so he votes for me.

Then he spends a lot of time finding snippets to try to drum up a train on me. I think he knows that there's not enough support for a JL train and has switched to me. So why not vote DD is he's sure of her? If both are zombies, then he looks more innocent. If Ice is zombie, but DD isn't then he might not want to join the train. If Ice is innocent, but DD is zombie, it makes him look bad. So why?


I think I've just about talked myself into believing him innocent. hmm... maybe, but the only scenario (to me) that makes sense is if ICE is the zombie and not DD.



BTW: Was I imagining things or was there some weird last player to vote rule in this game? I thought I read something like that, but can't find it now.

 

[Swayde]

Closest I could see to that would be...

You are the Bodyguard. A self appointed task, you can protect one Townie each night from a lynching. However, your choice is for the next night’s protection. At the onset of Day 1, you will need to send me who you want to protect for night 1. As soon as night 1 rolls, you must send me who you want to protect on night 2, and so on. On the nights your protection is successful, the #2 person with the most votes.....is lynched.

 

[Coler]

Again, I agree up to a point. But if ice was the turn last night, then he's got to try and drum up support for a JL move. That seemed to be working yesterday (real time), but has since faded. Now he thinks DD is zombie, but refuses to follow me, so he votes for me.

Then he spends a lot of time finding snippets to try to drum up a train on me. I think he knows that there's not enough support for a JL train and has switched to me.

Not a whole lot of support for that one either lol just me and ice me old friend

So why not vote DD is he's sure of her? If both are zombies, then he looks more innocent. If Ice is zombie, but DD isn't then he might not want to join the train. If Ice is innocent, but DD is zombie, it makes him look bad. So why?

Yeah...I take that point...then again...I think DD is zombie as well but I have my vote elsewhere as you know...Ice does seem particularly sure of her. However, imo he only looks particularly bad if you are in fact innocent.

I think I've just about talked myself into believing him innocent. hmm... maybe, but the only scenario (to me) that makes sense is if ICE is the zombie and not DD.

Well...the way its shaping up we will know very shortly what DD is



BTW: Was I imagining things or was there some weird last player to vote rule in this game? I thought I read something like that, but can't find it now.[/quote]

 

[IceH2O]

OK, so what about the whole DD/LadyG/Ice thing mutual protection and innocence society? [Before Ice freaks out, that's called sarcasm.]

I don't believe I freaked out at anytime in this game. But you did.

Again, I agree up to a point. But if ice was the turn last night, then he's got to try and drum up support for a JL move. That seemed to be working yesterday (real time), but has since faded. Now he thinks DD is zombie, but refuses to follow me, so he votes for me.

Then he spends a lot of time finding snippets to try to drum up a train on me. I think he knows that there's not enough support for a JL train and has switched to me. So why not vote DD is he's sure of her? If both are zombies, then he looks more innocent. If Ice is zombie, but DD isn't then he might not want to join the train. If Ice is innocent, but DD is zombie, it makes him look bad. So why?

I'm not trying to get a train on you. I'm just showing inconsistencies in your game that I see

I think I've just about talked myself into believing him innocent. hmm... maybe, but the only scenario (to me) that makes sense is if ICE is the zombie and not DD.



BTW: Was I imagining things or was there some weird last player to vote rule in this game? I thought I read something like that, but can't find it now.

That was last game for the kidnapper.

 

[Coler]

I think I've just about talked myself into believing him innocent. hmm... maybe, but the only scenario (to me) that makes sense is if ICE is the zombie and not DD.

that would leave me as a zombie then in your eyes ?

edit : if you have talked yourself into Ice being innocent that is