Zombies -- Mafia #11

First off, I am trying to think of when Ice has been evil and the evils have won.

With that said, If Ice and I are partners, then we stink. Why would we be attacking each other? To take the heat off of the turned zombies?
Obviously so when one of you are lynched the other can say SEE I TOLD YOU! You look like you are a hero for the town and they follow you on to the next one..you guy's could continue this until you do not get a turn one night, you are SAFE until then, no matter what.

Let's say he and DD were day one zombies, then he turned bkw and now has turned me. Or maybe DD and I were day one zombies, we turned bkw and I turned him.
I'm not even going to try and get into who was turn when/how or any of that I am just looking at what is posted and how ppl play, and you and Ice are both very evil in my mind. JL I tried to think of you as a non evil...it only worked until you posted again.

The plan is that one of us dies, looks like a hero, we turn another person and the the one that did not die and the 2 turned ones are in with the town and turn and kill townies. Once Ice and I are gone, who will the town go after?
Whoever seems evil I would say... not sure we will have to see..but I do believe it is in the towns best intrest to rid of both of you. JL honestly I JUST DON"T KNOW!

Our Zombie plan will leave the town in kaos!
DUH!!! Isn't that what zombies do?

So either way Ice and I must be zombies, we could not have both been day one zombies, but we both must be a zombie team. I say lynch us both. Lynch him today and me the next day.
Sounds GREAT to me!

I highly suspect that the next day I will be either dead or turned.
Oh how convenient

Now I have to go again for a while...I will be on and off the rest of the afternoon and on alot tonight!
 
When I show innocent tonight DO NOT assume that means JL is innocent also.


If you are not a zombie, I am toast.

I can say this, if for reason the green slime, saves you or turns the town upside down, or has a time shift, or what ever can happen to change you from the zombie czar to an innocent, then I am gone. I know this.

I am more concerned about if your turned zombies turn me and what to do then.
 
Just read through the posts again and I am leaning Ice towards zombie.

I know the evidence against me is staggering. I could build a case against myself that would blow your minds.

I don't think that just because someone votes for an evil every time makes them anymore innocent then someone that votes for an innocent every time is evil.

An innocent can easily vote an innocent off because they have no idea who is who.

An evil knows who is evil, as long as they are voting off the turn each night they stay in the good graces of the town. It might weaken the team in the long run but they will never be suspect now that we have no way to investigate them and it would only take 2 of them to win the game.

Don't just look at my voting, don't just look at my posting. Look at them together then try and see what the plan would have been if I was a zombie.It wouldn't add up. Every vote would solidify my evilness and heighten the suspicion on me.

If I was zombie:

Day 1

I stay on JL kill off 5 innocents that day instead of 4.

But switching to Chas was an easy way out for you. If he had ended up coming back he wouldn't have been a for sure kill. You jumping on him solidified it.

Possibly you saw jl as a high vote getter on night 2. Why place your vote on somebody who will be dead the next night anyways, in your mind?

There is also the possibility that you are a turn. If so, this night means nothing.

Just some thoughts...

Day 2

I would have voted DD since it was a lost cause and hit Ogre that night or done nothing. How did voting for Ogre help my cause?

But you mentioned her as a suspect and instead went after ogre. This makes no sense. Why vote for somebody who doesn't even have a chance of being lynched when another one of your suspects was close to being lynched? And night 2 the zombies can't kill anyone, just turn them. Plus, they couldn't choose who, they still gave a list of 3 that night, I believe...and can I ask you this...how did voting ogre help the town???

Day 3

Bkw and Coler haven't voted, why push for Coler and put suspicion on me when he was going to die anyway.

Again, how did you know Coler wasn't going to vote? Seemed like you were trying to get him outed for sure and not take any chances as he saw right through you. At the same time you tried to take suspicion off of bkw for the day, probably buying some time to get a hold of him and tell him to vote before it was a wasted cause.

I'm not evil I'm just a bad townie this game. With the turns you have to scrutinize every single post and word and it automatically makes you more likely to latch on to something trivial.

I am going to have to vote right now because I won't be around later. Ice is most zombie imo but a few other things concern me...the fact that ewurm seems to be a lot more vocal and latched on to , as already pointed out. Also how Lady G suddenly turned around on Ice. So...I vote to lynch Ice

My list:

Ice- 2
Ewurm-4
Lady G- 4
Dc-5
Mad- 6
Swayde- 6

If Ice is innocent (which I hope he isn't) ewurm is my top choice, then Lady G. Just because of the way they both acted along with their Ice votes.

Where is that 2nd 'new' townie???
 
Just wanted to point this out to you guy's before you get to comfortable with the thought either of our new players are automaticly innocent. I went back to Mafia 7 here is what I found in post #1323

Mystery Player

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joined as a member of the New Mafia
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Notice he JOINED as evil.

Was that a quoted post from RB, the announcemtn he made? If so, I'd have to believe the 2 new players are Innocent because RB said we got 2 new TOWNIES, which Townies are specifically good.

To be perfectly honest, I am not happy about voting Ice, but I do agree the evidence is pretty bad against him. I still think DC and Ewurm make better candidates. I am going to go along with the majority though because the majority is definitely innocent. I am going to hold off for a bit longer before I vote. I want to hear more from Brains and hopefully the 2nd new townie will pitch in some information. I am so confused and conflicted. I think the fresh perspectives on the game so far will be helpful and hopefully their insight will help me to decide.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by IceH2O View Post
I know the evidence against me is staggering. I could build a case against myself that would blow your minds.

I don't think that just because someone votes for an evil every time makes them anymore innocent then someone that votes for an innocent every time is evil.

An innocent can easily vote an innocent off because they have no idea who is who.

An evil knows who is evil, as long as they are voting off the turn each night they stay in the good graces of the town. It might weaken the team in the long run but they will never be suspect now that we have no way to investigate them and it would only take 2 of them to win the game.

Don't just look at my voting, don't just look at my posting. Look at them together then try and see what the plan would have been if I was a zombie.It wouldn't add up. Every vote would solidify my evilness and heighten the suspicion on me.

If I was zombie:

Day 1

I stay on JL kill off 5 innocents that day instead of 4.

But switching to Chas was an easy way out for you. If he had ended up coming back he wouldn't have been a for sure kill. You jumping on him solidified it.

But JL would have been if I stayed on him so either way an innocent was still going to die. I just thought it was more town worthy to lose 4 innocents instead of 5. You do remember voting for Charlie yourself that night right? Why did you do it?

Possibly you saw jl as a high vote getter on night 2. Why place your vote on somebody who will be dead the next night anyways, in your mind?

There is also the possibility that you are a turn. If so, this night means nothing.


Why waste a kill on JL till night 2. He could have been the 6th innocent killed instead of the 5th. This makes no sense from a zombie viewpoint.
Just some thoughts...

Day 2

I would have voted DD since it was a lost cause and hit Ogre that night or done nothing. How did voting for Ogre help my cause?

But you mentioned her as a suspect and instead went after ogre. This makes no sense. Why vote for somebody who doesn't even have a chance of being lynched when another one of your suspects was close to being lynched? And night 2 the zombies can't kill anyone, just turn them. Plus, they couldn't choose who, they still gave a list of 3 that night, I believe...and can I ask you this...how did voting ogre help the town???

Ogre was on DD, I stated I wasn't going to vote with someone I thought was a zombie. Also I wanted to keep the heat on Ogre. Obviously Coler also thought Ogre was a zombie, not only his vote but he vialed him.

Day 3

Bkw and Coler haven't voted, why push for Coler and put suspicion on me when he was going to die anyway.

Again, how did you know Coler wasn't going to vote? Seemed like you were trying to get him outed for sure and not take any chances as he saw right through you. At the same time you tried to take suspicion off of bkw for the day, probably buying some time to get a hold of him and tell him to vote before it was a wasted cause.

I thought Coler was evil, I assumed he would be the one to return to vote over Bkw. His jumping around and following me then pointing me as evil, then jumping to LG when I did made me think he was trying to link himself to me.

I'm not evil I'm just a bad townie this game. With the turns you have to scrutinize every single post and word and it automatically makes you more likely to latch on to something trivial.
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Jpaps response in red my answers in blue
 
Was that a quoted post from RB, the announcemtn he made? If so, I'd have to believe the 2 new players are Innocent because RB said we got 2 new TOWNIES, which Townies are specifically good.

To be perfectly honest, I am not happy about voting Ice, but I do agree the evidence is pretty bad against him. I still think DC and Ewurm make better candidates. I am going to go along with the majority though because the majority is definitely innocent. I am going to hold off for a bit longer before I vote. I want to hear more from Brains and hopefully the 2nd new townie will pitch in some information. I am so confused and conflicted. I think the fresh perspectives on the game so far will be helpful and hopefully their insight will help me to decide.

that was the post when he was voted off. I will have to see what it say's when he came in, it may be a little while though
 
If you are not a zombie, I am toast.

I can say this, if for reason the green slime, saves you or turns the town upside down, or has a time shift, or what ever can happen to change you from the zombie czar to an innocent, then I am gone. I know this.

I am more concerned about if your turned zombies turn me and what to do then.

Do you want to be lightly toasted? Would you like to be spread with butter or jelly?

The Green slime/mist already happened, thats how 2 new townies appeared.
 
Vote count so far...

5 to lynch Ice == DC, JL, Jpap, LG, Mad
1 to lynch JL == Ice
1 to lynch LG == Brains

Note voting == Ewurm, Swayde, Townie#2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by IceH2O View Post
I know the evidence against me is staggering. I could build a case against myself that would blow your minds.

I don't think that just because someone votes for an evil every time makes them anymore innocent then someone that votes for an innocent every time is evil.

An innocent can easily vote an innocent off because they have no idea who is who.

An evil knows who is evil, as long as they are voting off the turn each night they stay in the good graces of the town. It might weaken the team in the long run but they will never be suspect now that we have no way to investigate them and it would only take 2 of them to win the game.

Don't just look at my voting, don't just look at my posting. Look at them together then try and see what the plan would have been if I was a zombie.It wouldn't add up. Every vote would solidify my evilness and heighten the suspicion on me.

If I was zombie:

Day 1

I stay on JL kill off 5 innocents that day instead of 4.

But switching to Chas was an easy way out for you. If he had ended up coming back he wouldn't have been a for sure kill. You jumping on him solidified it.

But JL would have been if I stayed on him so either way an innocent was still going to die. I just thought it was more town worthy to lose 4 innocents instead of 5. You do remember voting for Charlie yourself that night right? Why did you do it?

Possibly you saw jl as a high vote getter on night 2. Why place your vote on somebody who will be dead the next night anyways, in your mind?

There is also the possibility that you are a turn. If so, this night means nothing.


Why waste a kill on JL till night 2. He could have been the 6th innocent killed instead of the 5th. This makes no sense from a zombie viewpoint.
Just some thoughts...

Day 2

I would have voted DD since it was a lost cause and hit Ogre that night or done nothing. How did voting for Ogre help my cause?

But you mentioned her as a suspect and instead went after ogre. This makes no sense. Why vote for somebody who doesn't even have a chance of being lynched when another one of your suspects was close to being lynched? And night 2 the zombies can't kill anyone, just turn them. Plus, they couldn't choose who, they still gave a list of 3 that night, I believe...and can I ask you this...how did voting ogre help the town???

Ogre was on DD, I stated I wasn't going to vote with someone I thought was a zombie. Also I wanted to keep the heat on Ogre. Obviously Coler also thought Ogre was a zombie, not only his vote but he vialed him.

Day 3

Bkw and Coler haven't voted, why push for Coler and put suspicion on me when he was going to die anyway.

Again, how did you know Coler wasn't going to vote? Seemed like you were trying to get him outed for sure and not take any chances as he saw right through you. At the same time you tried to take suspicion off of bkw for the day, probably buying some time to get a hold of him and tell him to vote before it was a wasted cause.

I thought Coler was evil, I assumed he would be the one to return to vote over Bkw. His jumping around and following me then pointing me as evil, then jumping to LG when I did made me think he was trying to link himself to me.

I'm not evil I'm just a bad townie this game. With the turns you have to scrutinize every single post and word and it automatically makes you more likely to latch on to something trivial.

Jpaps response in red my answers in blue[/quote]

I like your responses Ice. Something is telling me that you aren't a zombie...but now I don't know what to do. Lady G or ewurm are my two next options but I can't seem to get anything that really convinces me.

For ewurm to be zombie he would have to be a turn probably last night because of the way he has voted the last few nights but his activity today is WAY different. Dc is also another option but I don't think he is a zombie now.

Lady G was leaning innocent for me until she switched to Ice for really no reason other than she was confused and suddenly it all made sense that Ice was evil. She is my top candidate now as czar because she was defending Ice convincing some people he was the czar, but is now following some people the town thinks are innocents, trying to lay low and take the heat off her.

Imo jl COULD be the next zombie and is trying to get some followers without outing any teamates directly. If Ice is found innocent he could turn around and use the fact that Ice said he was suspicious himself and then go after people who followed him. This is a weak argument that I don't really believe but I am considering it...



I retract my vote for Ice and vote to lynch Lady G

If we lynch her tonight I think we can end the game.
 
Update...thru post 1019...

to fritter some brains....

ice (5) by jl66 865 DC 937 ewurm 908 lady 953 mad 977

jl66 (1) by ice 906

lady (2) by brains1 945 jpap 1019

8 of 10 Townies voting...

no votes from swayde or Townie #2....

about 5 hours to nightfall...

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