Mafia #14 -- The Play

[judgemax]

as i thought about it, Its very possible, that jpap, could be mafia, and we should cautiously listen to what he says. seem odd to me, that Blue would name him, unless a setup , either way, jpap, if you are the det, i would expect a hit on you tonight, so please put out your list. if you are hit tonight and shown the det, atleast we will have something to go on.

 

[judgemax]

at that, i am going, if I have time, I will get online again this eve.

 

[johnlarson66]

cute, if you had any chance of survival, you don't now. Jpap, if you are indeed the det. you need to tell us who you investigated, and asap.

judgemax, my "partner". Are you really asking the Detective to out themselves?

I am fairly certain that the mafia group that had their hit stopped by Doctor Lady G will again hit that same person. If that person is the Detective, then they know this and will do what they need to do.

The fact that the Detective has not come out may show that Lady G was not protecting the Detective or the Detective is waiting until late in the day.

This post puts you right back in the mafia column, silly me thought you might even be the Detective. My feelings is that you were either a power role or mafia.

I really need a new "partner".

 

[johnlarson66]

I also do not think we should trust a thing that Blue says.

 

[Madcrawdad]

Not sure how helpful this will be, but I've been thinking about something...

On Day 2, LG came out as detective...DD said she knew that LG was lying. Also, when outed, CL gloated that Old mafia origianlly thought that LG was the Doc (obviously taunting LG). This says to me that Old Mafia probably got their investigation on Night 1 (ID'ing LG)...so, New Mafia hit Hooked Newbie on Night 1.

On Night 2, LG saved someone.... Old Mafia knew that LG was Doc...pretty sure that they would have taken that hit, and LG would have been dead had Old Mafia's hit gone thru. I think that Old Mafia got an investigation on Night 2 again, and that New Mafia put in the hit that was saved by the doc...

On Night 3, the thief stole the hit. RB referred to the potential victim as playing Halo on their cellphone. 15 mins before nightfall, LG said that she was going to play some games to wait for nightfall.....but, I don't think that she was the intended victim, as RB specifically says the intended Night 3 victim was playing Halo on HIS cellphone (maybe DC?). So once again, I'm thinking that it's possible that it was New Mafia that put in this hit, as I would think that the Old Mafia would have been gunning for LG still.

On Night 4, LG was hit....I suspect that hit probably came from Old Mafia (as they knew who LG really was, and NM would have thought her protected), and that New Mafia probably got their 1st investigation.

So, I'm not sure how useful this is, but here's what I've deduced...it may or may not be correct.

Night 1 - OM investigation / NM hit (Hooked Newbie)
Night 2 - OM investigation / NM hit (saved by Doc)
Night 3 - OM investigation / NM hit (stolen by Thief)
Night 4 - OM hit (Lady G) / NM investigation

 

[OgreMkV]

Not sure how helpful this will be, but I've been thinking about something...

On Day 2, LG came out as detective...DD said she knew that LG was lying. Also, when outed, CL gloated that Old mafia origianlly thought that LG was the Doc (obviously taunting LG). This says to me that Old Mafia probably got their investigation on Night 1 (ID'ing LG)...so, New Mafia hit Hooked Newbie on Night 1.

On Night 2, LG saved someone.... Old Mafia knew that LG was Doc...pretty sure that they would have taken that hit, and LG would have been dead had Old Mafia's hit gone thru. I think that Old Mafia got an investigation on Night 2 again, and that New Mafia put in the hit that was saved by the doc...

On Night 3, the thief stole the hit. RB referred to the potential victim as playing Halo on their cellphone. 15 mins before nightfall, LG said that she was going to play some games to wait for nightfall.....but, I don't think that she was the intended victim, as RB specifically says the intended Night 3 victim was playing Halo on HIS cellphone (maybe DC?). So once again, I'm thinking that it's possible that it was New Mafia that put in this hit, as I would think that the Old Mafia would have been gunning for LG still.

On Night 4, LG was hit....I suspect that hit probably came from Old Mafia (as they knew who LG really was, and NM would have thought her protected), and that New Mafia probably got their 1st investigation.

So, I'm not sure how useful this is, but here's what I've deduced...it may or may not be correct.

Night 1 - OM investigation / NM hit (Hooked Newbie)
Night 2 - OM investigation / NM hit (saved by Doc)
Night 3 - OM investigation / NM hit (stolen by Thief)
Night 4 - OM hit (Lady G) / NM investigation

I can buy that. The question is, did LG protect the detective on night two? Since we now know that LG was the doc and couldn't protect herself, then whoever she was protecting may be killed tonight (pending the botched hit/lynch rule and which team has their hit go through).

If she was already protecting the detective, then it seems like there's a 50/50 shot that the detective goes out tonight.

Crap.

This kind of changes JMax's post. Really the detective, at this point has one known innocent (unless they investigated DJMajor, in which case they don't have anything for us now.)

Maybe it doesn't change JMax's post. There's not that much information to give us and a 50/50 (maybe better) that the detective lives through the night.

blueiz - 99.99% new mafia - about to be dead
charlie stubbs - innocent dead
clown lover - old mafia - dead
cooldude
Dangerdoll - old mafia, dead
deputychief
djmajor - innocent, dead
dwarf puffers
hooked newbie - innocent, dead
ice
jensons - 50-75% blackmailer
johnlarson66
jpappy
judgemax
lady g - doc, dead
madcrawdad
ogre
Swayde

So out of twelve of us there are two (probably) knowns, there may be one more known. blue is gone tonight, the mafia get a hit (again pending botched hit rule). So we're down to ten with 1 or 2 knowns... depending on who the mafia aim for.

There could be anywhere from three to five more mafia.

More of me rambling.

 

[IceH2O]

I don't think the Detective need to come out.

What can they tell us? We already know everything except who the innocent person is they investigated.

4 investigations and they already named the 3 mafia.

Is it that important to know who the innocent person is? I don't think so because all it does is give the mafia their next target.

At least there is a chance they hit each other without that information.

 

[IceH2O]

Old Mafia

DD- known
CL- known


New mafia-

Blue-known


I still like Jensons for mafia. I'm also not convinced the Blackmailer is an innocent role, if she is the blackmailer. Why would an innocent blackmail? The action itself is a mafia tactic.

I still like JM as mafia.

Cooldude is acting a lot like Bluerat did and it got her through the game so my suspicion on them has risen.

Ogre still bothers me as being mafia, He was early on Charlie the 3rd vote. He started on LG then switched to DJ. Day 3 started on Blue then jumped to DD. The start of day votes are what worries me plus some questionable posts. Not the big ones that seem like they help the town but the smaller ones that throw an idea out there.

Sway for some reason just seems like she is playing differently. Alot of her votes were placed early to pull out low posters. Shes not exactly filling the board with useful info either.

DP has yet to post anything resembling help for the town.

Mad will always bother me until I know for fact he is innocent. He is to good at this game and can play either side well.

 

[jpappy789]

I will ignore blueiz comment. I might be the detective I might not be. Either way I am guessing the new mafia might hit me tonight anyways and it seems like blueiz is trying to get the old mafia to as well. Anyways...I vote to lynch Blue I see no reason now not to vote her off, we need new mafia numbers down.

My Mafia:

Blue
Swayde
cooldude
DP

Ogre
Jm or jl <---cannot decide.
jensons??? not convinced innocent

Mad and Ice innocent.

I think the people who are new mafia are more obvious candidates at this point. If I survive I will probably vote DP tomorrow and next would be ogre to keep one mafia team from gaining an advantage.

 

[OgreMkV]

The case of JMax

Comments by me are in red

not anti town, i happen to think, that RB and I think very similar, and If I were him, i would have definitely put blue as something, if you actually read the post, it says subject to change, ..I just wanted to see her reaction, and I really haven't gotten one, .. As I said before, you guys don't get a chance to see me play innocent very often, with nothing to hide, I can go all out, ..so , heck yeah, i am throwing what I think is a strong first day vote.

This is just one of many posts against blue... notice that now that blue is effectively declared mafia, she isn't sure about voting for her and is willing to vote for me.

as long as hes innocent, I can accept that, otherwise, I will hang him, just like the rest!

I can tell you honestly, that he doesn't always randomly assign the roles, ..

again, think about it, ..I bet she she is, thats what I would do.Its the first day, i said I was voting for her, so what, have a better suspect yet?.

seriously, its the first night, why are you harping on my vote?, trying to keep suspicion off of yourself?...

Here she's defending her vote of blue

why odd?..I voted for whom I logically think would be mafia, its the first night, everyone knows you can't derive much from the first nights voting, until after the first night. why are you so concerned, everyone else is ignoring you, yet you continue to come back to me. you say I am posting odd, however, when the whole thread was hijacked, and they talked tv, (which is "nothing" incidentally,) but my posting is odd?...have you read any of the games in which I have played? I am playing normal. I am playing like I am innocent, I can say or accuse whom ever I feel guilty, because I have nothing to hide, You aren't in danger with my vote, however, mine would have eventually fallen off of you, until you brought this up. I posted the first time, because they were fighting, and its annoying, we get nothing from it as townies, I was hoping by making that post, they would stop, so I don't have to wade through ten pages of posts, just to get some info I need.
I am pretty sure I pegged you from the get go. :thumbsup:

Continuation of a long day 1 argument with blue.

haha, cute ICE , you know exactly what I meant by that, and do not try and twist it. Its a game, you play it, and my current role is innocent. nothing more.

Protesting innocence.

Ok, so I multi quoted about 14 posts, and decided that I might as well just type my usual paragraph.

so, I see alot of team playing going on, its quite odd, I also see alot wishy washy people mentioning names, hoping someone will hop on a train, so they can say they didn't start it. You know I wash sure HN was mafia, I am still a little nervous to say he isn't. But lady G, has me extremely worried, as does dmajor?..was he doping all of this to pull votes off someone else?....

Going after LadyG and DJ. At this point, the mafia MAY have known LadyGs identity.

I think, i am very comfortable with my vote where it is, but If I have to change it, I would definitely say Lady g or dmajor, right now, Lady G biggest problem for me, is the way she jumped on me, and then jumped off, and back on,(can't get the following she wants?.. it seems very likely to me, that there will soon be a train chugging my way.

Here she's nervous about a train on her... she's received one vote in four days.

I think the dj thing is only coming out, because he is a scape goat, ...something isn't right in wonderland

Firs to promote the scapegoat theory? I don't remember.

so be it ogre, I am not going to argue with you to change your mind, I do however, know what I am , and if he is implying I am anything but, hes not the detective.

My first post on her. Much of the above is the same, but know that we know a little more it takes on something of a more sinister light.

I am not saying I am the detective, I am saying however, THAT i KNOW MY ROLE, AND ITS NOT MAFIA,ITS INNOCENT. if he is eluding to me being mafia, I know for a fact, he is not the detective, period.

I also0 stated that if the REAL detective would like to investigate me please feel free to do so, however, it wouldn't do much good, because if they come out this early, it would be stupid, If you lynch me based on his guilt, I am afraid you won't get very far, I am not arguing the point I think he is guilty, he very much is so in my eyes, I can only ask you, if you were given an innocent role, and this situation was brought to you this way, how would you have responded?.

So much for not protesting innocence

DD if you would care to make an after death post telling us your sorry, we will accept it, as long as you name your team mates in a show of good faith!

hope sweat that DD doesn't actually do this...

I am more interested ion why the 13 is bolded in red, that seems like more of a hint to me?...

I think that most of us keep track (when we're actually playing, that is). I forget how much we all depend on Z when he's here.

what do you mean she knows two?

Nervous?

you mean the hit?...why would it excite you for them to steal the player?..what if that player was innocent?..your acting strange.

Again questioning me am I on to something?

no actually I didn't, why? seriously it can't be me?...I don't even want to go look:thud:

13th voter

ok, so since we are waiting, lets talk, we all feel strongly about several people, my top three would now be,
.

This is curious. I agree with it principle, but she's never shown anything like this before. Once in this game, it was quiet and she left. Why now? I have a theory... see below...

This was my theory, and why I KEPT INSISTING WE NEEDED TO TALK, ICE WHEN i ASKED ABOUT THE SCALED LIST, THIS IS WHAT I THOUGHT! ****! i CAN'T BELIEVE i WAS RIGHT!

You knew this was coming... that's why you wanted to start talking. That way you seem like a savior.

I didn't quote it, but everyone saw when you still thought the det should out. That MAY be a viable plan, but most of the time, I don't think it is.

We have an argument with blue, then not sure about voting blue.... all over LadyG, then sure she would be killed by the mafia

I think JMax is mafia...