Mafia #15....The Play....

[ZSandmann]

Oh Great Bala, tell us the identity of Brains2.

Sandy looks around for a sacraficial virgin to toss to Bala for his wisdom, but ACville is in short supply of those. Will you accept a nice shrubbery?

 

[bkw1982]

Ok i read it wrong, but its a bit of a leap you're making but i see ur point.

Well HN the only way i can respond to ur accusations is tht ur tryin to help Lady Gee pin some guilt on me. But that would be my own leap .

 

[Hooked Newbie]

Ok i read it wrong, but its a bit of a leap you're making but i see ur point.

Well HN the only way i can respond to ur accusations is tht ur tryin to help Lady Gee pin some guilt on me. But that would be my own leap .

I wasn't leaping. Like I said, it was an observation that I wanted the town to look at. If even you can see my point, it was valid and worthy of pointing out and seeking input IMO. You really lost me when you mentioned me helping Lady G... she's near the top and has been for awhile.

 

[IceH2O]

:raspberry:, But Jmax...I believe I've been innocent each of the games I played with you??







Ok, for confusing the crap out of me..I vote to lynch brains2/Weezer which ever is playing.

This is very subject to change just have to get a vote in in case I can't get back on before nightfall.
Now I'm off to go get my boy and go to work.

Okay here LG votes Brains for confusing her.

Wow!! I came on here fully intending on taking my vote off of Brains, after reading through everything I'm not sure what to think.

I thought about this, whole weezer/brains thing at work, the one thing that stood out to me was...maybe Rb asked him to sign up as Brains simply because MM was playing also, MAYBE he thought we would all assume they were on a team, and if we lynched one and they ended up mafia/innocent we would assume the other was also. He may have wanted to add a little extra to the game in the process of doing this.

That was the whole reason I was going to pull my vote, I thought of this and it made since to me..having him sign up under a different name so we didn't associate the two automatic. Giving them both a fair chance.

Now after reading everything I just have know idea what I think. For the time being I am going to retract my vote on Brains.

I am planning to look through things a little more and try to come up with something, I would like to try and find something on someone else that hasn't really been looked at yet..I hate when everyone is on the same person and right now it looks as everyone is either on Ogre or Brains, yes...I agree both stand out to me, but at the same time last game sticks in my head and we were all sure about Charlie, sure about DP, and sure about cooldude...all who ended up innocent and lynched b/c everyone jumped on them and didn't really look elsewhere.

Not really sure what I will find if anything, and my vote may very well end up on Ogre or Brains but at this time I would like to look elsewhere.

So she was confused, then wanted to remove her vote from Brains, then shew is confused and doesn't know what to do so she removes the vote. I think this is distancing.

Blue, is looking most mafia to me at this point...mainly for this reason right here. She obviously used her Mod "power" to come up with this and post it to everyone. If Rb wanted Brains to remain unknown, she shouldn't go and use her mod"ness" to let everyone know.

It really bothers me when Mods play the game and do this...they shouldn't do or show anything that we can't do.

It could of been asked of Rb and he could have posted "brains is a unknown" or "brains is Weezer" or whatever he wanted, but she took it upon herself to find out and let others know her findings.

That is the one thing that I hated when Rb played (sorry Rb) but when ppl are logged in invisible. He would point out when they were on but not posting.

I'm not saying that I think brains is innocent or mafia, I'm not really sure at this point. I also really think Rb did this because of the whole MM, Weezer connection.

LG thinks Blue is mafia because she allegedly used Mod powers. Something that can't be proven.

Still can't see that Brains is mafia.

Hmmm, I'm wondering do we have a "team" here?


For one, Blue and Brains could easily both be mafia...just different teams.
For two, she could be trying to look helpful by doing this...ppl would think/say "why would she do that if she was mafia"

I skimmed nothing Ice, you were very good at catching it, and made a very good case about it, just another reason, I saw no reason for Blue to do that.

Yes you did make the case, I believe you and it is very obvious. Not sure it MAKES him mafia, not sure it makes him innocent. But yes, I believe him to be one in the same.


Why are you so offended DD, did I name one of your teamies? Yes ppl asked and Rb could of answered it IF it really needed addressed, there was no reason for her to go and do that, plain and simple.

Actually DD, I have said something about Rb doing that before.

I am freaking about nothing DD, I just saw no reason for her to take it upon herself to do that. Yes, I believe it shows her mafia, trying to look innocent.



It had already been concluded that they were one in the same Blue.

Very interesting who came to your defense on this matter.

So Blue is mafia because she backed up what I was saying. Then LG accuses DD and Ice of coming to Blues rescue.

Was this a post from Weezer? You saw it posted then he posted "Nice game, but I'm not in it" instead is that what you are saying?
I believe you there was an edit, no doubt about that..I can't imagine you would make that up, but I am trying to figure this whole mess out



Ice, could you please show me what I am suppose to be seeing here? You said the post that was edited had quotes around those who voted Brains, then you post this? What am I missing?

The confusion continues on the post.

Well, I am looking at DD. We all know she is hard to build a case on when Mafia..but I believe I've found a few things that stand out to me.


Except that Weezer was not brains it was MM and Jmax that game.






Now, remember I have been innocent when playing Jmax, so why the question about JL and not about me...is what I was thinking?


Agreeing she does this alot, instead of making her own points she just agrees with others...happend to be about a Mafia member. Not sure if that say's anything or not, but an observation none the less.

Here she agree's with someone again, even adds a vote.




Ok, now she has voted twice for Brains?? Just a few posts in between...did you forget that fast that you had already put a vote on him???


She uses phrases like "I was only curious" and are you a bit "paranoid" alot when she is Mafia also.


Ok, here she was pointing out the obvious...we should look at low and high posters?


If Brains is suppose to remain anonymous...why would he/she post why? This just seems like a very "off" question to me.


I believe most everyone was back and forth on the whole Brains confusion..why pointing to only HN on that?


Here she jumps all over me for pointing out that I thought Blues move made her seem mafia to me..why defending her so much DD?
She does this alot also when Mafia, jumps all over someone trying to get others to join on.


This was to HN, pretty weak reasoning for myself and for HN if you ask me, most ppl were on the fence about Brains at this point, and me because I think Blue looked mafia"ish"?
Then she is voting for Ogre...her most strongly felt mafia person, of coarse this is after voting Brains not once but twice. Also after most of the town was voting Ogre.



So...how many times are you going to vote Brains this time???

The DD attack, no remember DD and Blue are mafia in LGs opinion and she was trying to tie me to them.

Oops, needed to add...I vote to lynch DD of coarse this is subject to change at any time.

My biggest problem with Brains is Ogre..would he have put himself out there so much, knowing he was implicating a mafia? Really I didn't understand Ogres play at all this round it was like he wanted everyone to know he was mafia from the get go, I have been trying to make since of it and going back and forth with my thoughts on what all he posted.

Was he trying to get us to go after someone he knew wasn't on his team, I would say he knew to be innocent, but from the way I understand it only 4 of the mafia know each other...the rest are on their own. So did he believe Brains and Z to be mafia also, did he believe them to be innocent and wanted us to think they were mafia because he named them in his posts, are one or both on his team (this seems the less likely to me).

Anyway I am at a loss right now, DD stood out to me, blue stood out to me. I have never played with CC so I'm not sure about him, and of coarse Brains stands out, but at this point I'm not sure if it is b/c it was sooooo out there or because of his posts. Each time I read his post I think Mafia, then I think well he is on the defense the whole time, it's hard to say your thoughts when you have to defend yourself the whole time you are on.

Well, that is where I am at, right now. Going to look some more and see if I can come up with anything.

Again protecting Brains and throwing suspicion on DD and Blue

Ok, now this is going to be a long one, but an interaction that I thought significant. You will see as I go along (hopefully). I believe DD to be mafia along with JL, and here is a few things that stood out to me from day one.


First of all JL comes out and votes for brains, mainly b/c he doesn't know who he is. Not really like John, he usually goes for the first RP.




Then follows up with or me...now I hadn't even posted at this point, no reason behind why he would switch to me, just that he would.


Charlie comes along and votes HN (randomly) nothing really out of the norm here, but I will explain why I'm adding his posts as I go.


He switchs here to Ice.


CC, comes along and also votes Ice. This too will be commented on in a minute.


Now Charlie comes back on him, after voting Ice himself and questions him why?
Who follows suit....

Yep, DD...now she has said nothing about anyone elses votes at this point which all seem to pretty much be random w/o reason, but CC she comments on (after someone else).




Oh, she even reminds Charlie he needs to bold the lynch switch....so Charlie has switchs votes 3 times already, yet she say's nothing about it.


Just added this vote in b/c it seems DD has nothing to say about this either, and the fact Z votes plantling for "mentoring" CC, but doesn't mention DD "mentoring" Charlie.


Now here is Jmax first "random vote...which really I took as teasing didn't think MUCH of it, but again no real reason and DD mentions nothing.

But....

Jmax votes JL...because of his role play which IS very unlike JL and look what happens,

Now DD, is questioning someones vote...why of all the random votes, vote switching and everything else that has happened so far did she pick Jmax to single out and question? At least there is something to the Jmax vote he is playing different then normal and she noticed and said something...now I believe her to be "picking" on JL since he always votes for the RPer but DD questions her about it....WHY?


Then Jmax questions DD about why she is defending JL.


This is her response...what clues? Jmax made a random vote...as many before her had, so again why question her and not JL for his first post with a vote for Brains, or CS for changing his vote 3 times before Jmax even voted?


AGREED!!!


Then Charlie finishes up the little interaction "kinda" agreeing with DD, and adding a Howl at the end of the quote.

Does anyone else see anything in here besides me, I would really like some opinions on this.

So here we have LG throwing suspicion on Charlie and DD and JL

Really Plant, I don't see how you can say she doesn't seem mafia at all to you, that surprises me, but I guess everyone sees things differently.

JL well his change in style is surely alarming and raises alot of questions for me, he always votes me so that has nothing to do with my feelings, but he isn't posting much except RP, and although I really enjoy his Rbing and would love for him to continue and keep it up in future games it is unsettling as well...sooo un John like.
As far as me, well like I've said before this is said every game so no real concern at this point.

Again pointing to DD and JL

I'm not going to go into a back and forth thing with you, but I thought I'd comment on a few things you brought up.
I would have to say as of this point, Brains, DD and JL stand out as my top three.

What happened to Blue,Charlie and Ice?

No, really I'm not going from one person to another Blue...but whatever. I mentioned you because yes I thought it seemed mafia to me, I reconsidered and said I'd wait for later posting and that is what I did. I said DD and JL yep that is three I have named and tried to build a case against, after reading a few others responses about DD, I am tending to lower her at this moment b/c I do tend to over react and this game is quite different then the rest, other games it tended to be a little more easy to see the mafia b/c they all communicate, in this case they are right with us, so yes I am trying to look at everyone and at the same time see if I can see anyone who seem to be "together", So yes if I see someone may be off or posting strange or whatever I am going to post about it, most will be for more opinions b/c of my tendency to over react and usually if I post it and see others thoughts it helps me decide if I have over reacted or if there is something to it.
No I didn't build a case against Brains, the case was out there not much more I could add to it I have said that I agree he is mafia, I agree he is Weezer and that he is a good vote..I didn't see the need to repost what had already been posted by several others.


Know I didn't say I was digging since day one I said FROM day one, which yes I can see as being perceived as since day one...I mean I have went back to day one and started from there, since I was unable to be on as much as usual the first 2 days of postings.
I am not digging because I am in the "spotlight" really I didn't see myself as in the spotlight, I am just doing what I do, going through the threads and trying to see if anything stands out. Posting what I find to stand out to me.

Not going from person to person? She has already named half the town and the only one I can somewhat agree with is JL.

Well, I guess I'll start with my thoughts on this whole MM, Mzj, Weezer, brains thing.
Umm, ok now even more confusion about it, is my first thought. I could possibly see MM logged on as Weezer by mistake I suppose...BUT if it was her why wouldn't she just say sorry guy's I logged on and didn't realize I was on Weezers account...that would of cleared everything up right then and there, and really I would think what she would of done if it had happened, especially since it started such a mess. So I tend to think know that is not what happened...but it was a good thought non the less.

As far as a list, I am tired and have to get up early to get kids off to scholl so I'm not going into long reasons but, well I would have to say:

Brains-mafia for obvious reasons

JL-I believe to be mafia also, not only is he RPing more than normal, but his posts are so off to me, in one post he says he doesn't see anything mafia about Brains, then says he doesn't like mystery players and votes him, there are many other posts but at the moment those are most resent and in my head.

Blue-She just hasn't posted much of anything and I do believe her mafia once again.

Bkw-Barely here, I even forgot he was playing and well I am thinking Mafia, since when I played w/ him and was evil w/ him this is exactly what he did.

CCM-Never played w/ before but I have to say leaning mafia at this point.

Coler-Something is not sitting right with me about him, but last time I played w/ him I felt that way and he was innocent, I believe.

KOTD-Hasn't posted much but what he has posted, seems thought out so less mafia then others.

HN-Seems to be trying to help.

DD-Well, honestly I have to apologize to her, I do believe I over reacted with you and I am sorry. I am still unsure but leaning less mafia.

MM-Hasn't been on much and have no read on her really

Plant-I have tended to go back and forth with her

Z-Hasn't posted like usual but he did say he wasn't going to be on much at first. His resent post tends to be pro-town, but am waiting on thoughts with him at this time.

Jo-Hasn't posted enough for me to get a read on either.

Ice-I have to lean innocent, I see nothing really mafia about him.

Jmax-I have been going back and forth with her too.

Charlie-Even though he seems to think I was implicating him, I have him more innocent at this time.



:lol: I'm with ya there Jmax!!!

Here her list has whittled down to 5 that she feels mafia with others not sure on. Her new mafia list seems to be Brains JL Blue Bkw CCM

OMG guy's I have been looking through that game...I forgot how much fun we had, man if I had been Remember the night being suspended, the "magic touch" the injections....Z's Charlies angels theory (which wasn't far off) LOL man that was so much fun....sitting on the edge of your chair wondering what would happen next fun:grinno:

Ok back to the present game, I will be leaving soon and will miss night fall:irked: but I will be back later (as usual), let's just hope the mafia get a unknown mafia tonight and we get rid of 2 in one night, then next nightfall WE get the hit, wouldn't that be great if we got 2 more!!!!!
Which brings me to the topic, after nightfall do you think we should start talking about who we would want the townies that communicate to "hit" I mean I know the final decision would be theirs but should we maybe throw our thoughts out as well?

I don't know, I think they probably have a good read on who is what being able to talk and all. There are 4 this time so they have multiple angles to look from. They also have our lists so what good does it do to talk about it. Just keep the lists updated and I'm sure they can make a choice from them depending on who they think they can trust.


So guys heres my LG case. Take from it what you will.

LG voted Brains then switched to Ogre once the Brains train slowed to a halt. On day 2 LG voted DD and when no one would join her all of a sudden decided she over reacted and jumped to the Brains train once he had 9 votes.

I vote to Lynch LG


I know I said

 

[IceH2O]

Ignore I know I said...I meant to delete it.

Basically I was going to say I didn't want to vote yet but the evidence is there and I feel with a vote that LG will be more pressured to answer and her peeps will have to come to her rescue as they are already down a player to us. We also have a great chance to lynch one tomorrow plus hit one so they'll be down 3 to our 1.

 

[bkw1982]

I wasn't leaping. Like I said, it was an observation that I wanted the town to look at. If even you can see my point, it was valid and worthy of pointing out and seeking input IMO. You really lost me when you mentioned me helping Lady G... she's near the top and has been for awhile.

i think its a good observation that would work better in the latter part of the game, after day two i consider it a leap.

 

[IceH2O]

Bala Speaks...

"One innocent, and one mafia have been offered an investigation. They may not want to hear the results, but the truth is often painful."

This is really a great move.

If the innocent investigates a Mafia they can tell us who it is. If they investigated an innocent then stay quiet, just don't let us lynch them.

If a mafia player found another mafia they can tell us, if they found an innocent they can tell us.

 

[Dangerdoll]

That is a hard case to argue and I pretty much agree, Ice and I have to say, I am totally in between Cavie and G right now.... I can't even say which because each carry their weight in why I think they are mafia. There is the fact that G was all over the place but she has the rep of doing that in these games BUT never has she all out made such plentiful mistakes. I don't want to call them lies, because I am not sure if they are or not, though they sure do look it. It seems to me that if G was going to try such a strong argument, that she would have all her i's dotted and her t's crossed, apparently, she didn't. For this, I will probably lean more towards voting for her.

For Cavie, I forgot he was on a trip to Cali but I cannot escape the feeling that he is mafia. I think that maybe some folks had forgotten that he had played some of these games earlier on and have been mistaking him as a newbie, I was and I may hqave been on the fence because of it.... until it was mentioned he's been in these games before.

I also want to say that we need to be careful that we don't get cocky now because we are on a good solid mafia-kicking path right now. We need to still concentrate and work as diligently as we have been in order to continue to save our town. In the past, when I was mafia, it was times where we were in the winner's ring, swearing we were sweeping the town that it all seemed to collapse from under. So lets continue to root, and continue to be careful and stay on alert.

 

[Dangerdoll]

that was in response to post 674

 

[plantling]

It seems a lot of players are afraid to talk about Coler. I wanted to put in another two pennies on Coler:

nightfall sunday ? excellent...loads of time.

I am coler. I am innocent.

I think what we can look for at this point is distancing from the mafia and possibly townies who can communicate. It is too early for mafia to go for block votes, so voting patters somewhat interest me less unless they are linked with 'analysis' or arguments.

This is a very rough summary of the thread :

JL voting brains2
Charlie Stubbs votes for HN but not in bold
Charlie then votes ice
Cap cave then votes ice
Charlie votes for cavey
DD and Plantling are posting/commenting but saying not much
Ogre does some point by point analysis casts suspicion at Ice (I think this is distancing for good or evil)
ZS votes plantling but says its not his legitimate vote
HN votes Ogre
jonader votes brains2
judgemax votes Lady G because Lady G fooled her once and won't again...but Lady G has not voted yet...(I think this is distancing btw, for good or evil again)
bkw votes for Charlie
Judgemax unvotes Lady G and votes John Larsson (see...distancing)
Ogre defends himself
HN attacks Ogre in response
Ice votes Ogre (I think this is distancing)
DD votes Brains2
DD removes vote on Brains2 (issue over an edited post by Ice pointed out by Weezer)
Lady G votes to vote Brains2/Weezer 'whichever is playing'
DD & JMax are 'interacting'

Possible teams : 1) Ogre, Ice, Charlie 2) DD, Judgemax, Lady G.

Interesting gender breakdown but there you are

My best mafia suspectsmight also include Plantling at this point. There are I understand no town power roles so no reason for townies to be trying to hide in the background and Plantlings posting so far has really contributed nothing.

However I have no vote at this time.

Here is Coler's first post and I believe he was the last to post and the game was well underway. It appears to be a helpful post, but really it's trying to feed misinformation. As a seasoned player, how does he see Ice and Ogre's feud as distancing? They were voting or rallying votes on each other and with the votes so spread out 2nd and 3rd votes were dangerous. I believe that in each of Coler's "possible teams" he has listed a Mafium along w/2 townies to try to link them. Ogre is Mafia, Charlie is an innocent, and so is Ice, IMO. Of DD, JMax, and LG, I would say LG is the Mafia and possibly on the same team w/Coler.

I call Coler out on this and his singling me out as hiding, then he responds w/this:

*sigh* i give that about one and a half cents.

you really were not singled out...I gave my impressions of your posting is all.

the distancing stuff/possible teams is bs ? sorry but objectively it is not - its there on the thread and is certainly 'possible', as I said. It's a helpful thought as far as I'm concerned.

paranoia ('singled out') however is for me a mafia thing. Especially when I said only that you might be amongst my best mafia suspects at that early stage. Its not like I voted for you.

For now, you have become my best mafia suspect and as it is now about time for me to vote that's what I'm going to do I vote to lynch plantling.

may change *shrug* its just my best guess for now.

Note that the Ice/Brains episode has already occurred but I'm his best mafia suspect because I dared to question his singling me out. He doesn't even comment on the Brians episode, possibly because they are on the same communicating team?

heh well you know what I'm going to say about that

look I don't know if plantling is mafia, but its my gut instinct and I'm following it - its worth observing the reactions in any event. I will have time to change my vote if I think that's a good thing to do.

Though he's not sure if I'm Mafia, Coler is following his gut instincts on me and wants to observe my reactions to his vote in any event. Doesn't sound too pro-town to me as he was the 2nd vote on me. Wonder if I disappointed him. Wonder if he was disappointed no one else followed.

hmmmm...I've been thinking about the brains/weezer thing...

1) brains is weezer - that seems to be a given
2) I kinda feel that rb may have put weezer in as brains to get away from the whole 'a & b live together so they are both mafia/both innocent etc. etc. It would have made weezer & mee-mee's lives easier without having to fool with the sacred random number generator. It's just a possibility. If it's true then weezer was just kinda blushing for blowing his own cover.
3) Other possibility - there is some significance in brains being the unknown player of which we are not aware. I think this is less likely myself but that's really only my gut.

Final thought on this...if it is an innocent explanation (and I don't care what anyone says that is at least plausible) then you have to kind of look at Ice who jumped all over it, and I must say I have/had Ice down as innocent except for this.

I will unvote plantling for the moment while I think a little more.

Here we go again w/his guts and him shedding more doubt Ice's way about the Brains post. Wants us to look at Ice who "jumped all over it." He unvotes me as well.

I vote to lynch ice I will have to wait and see on Plantling.

I think the brains/weezer thing is a complete red herring...and ice went ott on it.

That's my vote and will almost certainly not be back on.

Votes Ice at 5:19 pm EST

I totally accept that you are correct on the brains/weezer thing - I just don't know that its such a big deal is all. I'm going to read the posts now since my vote.

Accepts that brains is weezer.

I absolutely disagree re the teams thing. Only thing we do know for sure is that there are two groups of people who can communicate. We may safely presume they are doing so and have some kind of agreed approach or at least the benefit of each others thoughts.

Now, whether my early post suggesting the teams or at least some pointers as they appeared to me is correct or not, I absolutely don't know, but as far as I'm concerned, what the mafia will be doing right now is trying to distance from each other.

I now see there has been hardly any posts by Ogre despite his precarious position and I begin to think whether he has given up on a hopeless situation...which is indicative of dissappointed mafia.

If Ogre is mafia then brains/weezer almost certainly is, which is pretty bad play for Ogre, because I didn't think the slip was that big a deal...in fact the opposite in that I think (still think) ice made too much of a big deal about it.

Still thinks Ice made too much of a big deal about it.

well you know it was just a summary of my thoughts at the 90 post or so mark.

I am now believing Ice is innocent simply based on the tone of his posts. He could also be right about Ogre and if so then brains. That would mean if we do Ogre tonight and he is mafia we have a very strong start on tomorrows suspect and together with everything else including the case made out (particularly by Charlie) against Ogre I unvote Ice and vote Ogre. Ogre's lack of posting seals the deal for me.

Wow! At 7:53 he now believes Ice is innocent and votes Ogre. It's all too convenient IMHO.