Alright, as promised, here's some thoughts on Clown...
Inconsistent / Holey Logic
On Day 1, I jumped on Grins a little for her implication that Day 1 was somewhat of a blowoff. I asked her how she plans to minimize the chances of lynching an innocent if she didn't take the day seriously.
Ice agreed, as did Joander, who was actually the first to ask that folks take Day 1 seriously.
Here Clown comes back at me, wanting me to explain how I plan to minimize the lynching of an innocent. A little odd since I asked if of Grins. He seems a little defensive of her? Maybe.
Not really but since I was I already sensing that she was a baddie I was more preterbed by (as you put it) for interrupting my hunt.
I respond by 'taking it seriously'
Yeah well, not all of us are such upright morally outstanding individuals as yourself Mad.
Now here he schools me on the documentary filmaker's creedo.... 'observe, but don't interact.' Claims that I could be altering scums' behavior by interacting with Grins?
I never said interacting Mad, I said pointing out their scummy behavior allows them to change their tactics didn't I.. Since you putting all of this together can you tell me why you couldn't at least put the posts up so you couldn't twist what I said.
Okay. But look what he says about EMO and LChap... apparently whatever they did last game gave them away to Clown. Hey Clown, by mentioning this, if LChap and Emo are scum this game do you think they'll be doing what they did last game now? Kind of interacting with the wildlife, aren't you.
Again you are twisting what happened. In fact I was called to the carpet by DD for not giving out LC's scum tells. But then its like mafia to twist what actually happened isn't it mad.
Here's a post from Clown to Ice explaining that Ice and I have climbed higher on his scumdar as a result of saying that taking Day 1 seriously was a good idea.
Again thats not what I said.. I said you went higher on the mafia o' meter for interrupting what was going to end up hanging grins for sure in my eyes. But then she stopped doing what she was doing and did change her play behavior.
Ice's response...(clipped by me)
Clown mentions that he didn't verbalize that Jo moved up on his list, but that he didn't necessarily not move Jo up toward mafia on his list.
Here Ice questions why Clown didn't verbalize it... I agree, verbally casting doubt on some players status and not others who did the same thing is fishy. Also, how come Clown never moved any of the people who interacted with Jo regarding his original request to take the day seriously toward mafia. Weren't they trying to shut Jo down? Changing any scumtells that he might throw?
But was I actively engaged in any conversations about it with Joander.. Other then me telling him that he had no sense of humor.
Scumtells
Vote hopping
Much of Day 1 CL helps build a case on Grins.... then abandons it due to a secret message that she sends. Okay. Little bit of vote hopping on Day 1
Day 2, major vote hopping...all over. Landing on candidates multiple times.
I explained in my earlier post why vote hopping can be scummy. Allows scum to hide on buddies and move around if necessary while being able to say that they did vote for them at some point if the buddy ends up lynched and mafia.
Yep and anyone who is reading this thread can tell you that I've done a hell of a lot more scum hunting than you.. I've been out beating the bushes while you've been doing the normal mad behavior and hiding in the shadows and posting once in a while. Gimmie a break.
Gloating
Here's a post from early Day 2 that really got my attention and made me look more closely at Clown. What we see is a scumtell called 'Gloating'. Weird name, but it's when scum try to blend in by letting everyone know that they're in pain from the night's events, too. Sometimes they overact to let everyone know that this guy must be innocent....look how upset he is.
And I do it in every game.. I do have a kid, he lives with his mother in Germany. I work construction ahd have a mouth worse than a truck driver when on the job site. I'm a blue colar kind of guy. Ask JM, ask DD ask JL I swear...
As far as acting, the thing that get's my attention is the swearing. It's not natural. Before I had kids, I swore like a truckdriver (when not at work)...boy the words just rolled off the tongue. But in written correspondence, swearing just doesn't flow...and to have to take the extra step to asterisk out any swearing means it really not flowing. It has to be intentional, right? Once again seems to be letting everyone know he's innocent...he's got to be, to be so mad.
Acutally swearing works fine in correspondance when it is part of your normal every day language. If this wasn't a family board I'd give you a sample.
Also complains to RB for not reassigning the DR role, which I wouldn't really expect RB to do. And I don't know that Clown does either. I've included a post below from after the LChap nonsense (re: former vs. current detective) began. In it he claims that if RB did reassign roles that he'd quit and never play again. Which is it?
I said when a player UD's.. Again you are twisting my words. I personally think if a player cannot commit to a game and bows out it should be reassigned. Much like Grins in the Grinch game was done and Beth as the doctor in another game.. I don't remember which one. But when this all started with LC he never stated that anyone was UDing did he.. Twist twist twist.. Boy you have just gone up on my mafia o meter mad..
That's what I've got on Clown...just observations, not necessarily a case, yet. It's been hastily pulled together so I hope it makes sense, but I wanted to get it in before nightfall.
