Mafia #29 Biological Badlands #2

[IceH2O]

Ice, when he is innocent he hits mafia-like behavior hard and is great help. When he is mafia he still hits hard but he does it over what I consider fluff. In other words, he is making much to do about nothing right now in my opinion.


Not feeling anything in the above is enough at this point to vote yet. I'm guessing someone will tip the scales towards them today though and I'll feel better about casting a vote when I get back this afternoon. For instance, there have been some issues popping up that don't seem right, like Ice getting what he wanted out of posting in code. What was it you wanted Ice? Ogre seeming to be a bit more annoyed than some over the code. I don't know if what was going on is more personal or what. Judge floating in and then off again. Catfish voting based on a popular vote, although that could be either a newbie thing or his mafia team suggesting he align with their votes and not draw too much attention because it would be assumed it was a newbie thing?

Now Grins, what did I post today to make you change your mind? I see a number of suspects listed and a question to me that you thought you needed to see before you would vote, yet you decided to not wait for the answer.

As for my pushing on fluff. Was there anything to push on to start off with? Isn't it all fluff till the reaction appears? The fact that you don't think Ogres reasonings for his list are fluff makes me wonder just how right I am. Also no mention of Zigs list huh?

The thing that stands out most though is your throwing suspicion my way because for some reason you think that LG being innocent she knew I wasn't innocent. Would you care to explain that one to me? How exactly is that supposed to work?

 

[Rbishop]

thru post #250...

to genetically test....

grins (2) by jpap 74 jdge 173

ogre (1) by ice 144

zig (4) by cory 200 cat 209 zsnd 210 hk 228

judge (2) by jl66 204 plnt 242

zsand (1) by zig 214

ice (2) by grns 231 ogre 240

12 of 13 voting...

No vote from Beth...

Nightfall in 1 1/2 hrs....at 8 PM EST..

PMs or e-mails as required...

 

[Grins]

Being innocent, Lady G had no way of knowing anymore than any other innocent person knows. The only way Lady G could know if she was evil.The fact that you put any weight to Lady G's statements about anyone not being innocent after knowing she was innocent makes no sense at all to me.If anything this moves you up a notch.

I realize that John, but is there a reason why you're now answering for Ice?

That dog won't hunt. Yes I well aware you said you would be busy. Doesn't mean you should quote dump three hours before Night and bring up a whole new suspect for us to have to assimilate. Maybe Ice is your top suspect, I don't know. But it should be obvious he is not going to be sent packing tonight, so why not fall back to a another candidate that maybe already has some votes on them, that may have a chance of being voted out? Are you afraid to attach your name to someone who may actually get voted? I am voting right now for Zigman, I am voting for Zigman because they are Evil in my opinion. I have other suspects that I have named some have votes on them right now, and some don't. I moved my vote off of Zigman earlier in the day to try and bring the number of suspects down, but then more posts occured that have strengthened my opinion that Zigman is Evil. I am not telling you who to vote for, and I am not speaking only to you. I am asking for the town to try and reduce the number of people with votes on them because otherwise we will only have a small number of people that have to account for what happens at Night. If you can't see that then I can't help you.

I stated Ice was a top suspect at 11AM today, that is not 3 hours before nightfall no matter which math you may use. And I frankly don't understand why you voting for Zig because you think he is evil is any different than me doing the same with Ice at this point. I'm open to changing my vote and I've stated that. So either put your money where you mouth is and help compel us to who is the most evil or stop with the double standards on everyone for things you are doing yourself. How about we start with a current vote count. BalaBob are you reading this?

Grins also asked what did I get out of the morse codes. I believe it told me 1 person I can pretty much write up as innocent. I won't say who but I won't vote for that person.Others are pointing at him right now and based on that persons reactions and responses to the code there is no way they are evil IMO.

So a male playing the game is innocent? Not a very big reach there. If you found out someone is a PR I'm glad you're not saying who it is, and I'd not expect you to be so careless but forgive me if this is a bit meaningless to me without the benefit of the inside knowledge.

The reactions grabbed by others from the code also tells me a lot. Some might take more time to figure out as I have to see how it all plays out,LG being innocent did throw me, but I still think Ogres overreaction including his list of evils matching with Zigs list tells me they are evils.

Ice, when we've been on the same team you've been helpful, so lets pretend for a moment I don't think you're mafia. Why would Ogre have been so vocal about being against the morse and voting you, Hooked and John (I think that was who he said) out for it if he was mafia? Why would he have made such an obvious target of himself like that? If I remember correctly others have said he is hard to read but a good player.

I meant, are you willing to change your vote to someone else. Now Ogre has voted for Ice, so it is not a wasted vote. I do think it is odd that you posted a lone vote so late in the day.

I've already said I'm not closed minded to changing the vote. If it looks like I need to shift it to another of my top suspects because of how the vote is going I'll do that. But I'll not be bullied into changing, someone or something has to compel me.

Now Grins, what did I post today to make you change your mind? I see a number of suspects listed and a question to me that you thought you needed to see before you would vote, yet you decided to not wait for the answer.

As for my pushing on fluff. Was there anything to push on to start off with? Isn't it all fluff till the reaction appears? The fact that you don't think Ogres reasonings for his list are fluff makes me wonder just how right I am. Also no mention of Zigs list huh?

The thing that stands out most though is your throwing suspicion my way because for some reason you think that LG being innocent she knew I wasn't innocent. Would you care to explain that one to me? How exactly is that supposed to work?

I thought your reasoning on LG was bogus, so I brought it back into the light. We all push the limits of others to see if the guilty will crack. Push away at me, I have no reason to crack Ice. Do you? Can you take some pushing back to test your integrity in town?

 

[johnlarson66]

Grins,

Lady G had voted for me and also stated I was not innocent. I am not answering for Ice. As a matter of fact, I think he is a good suspect (as always). I just do not think a late vote for him is good for the town.

I wonder if you had voted for me, if Ogre would have followed.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

Where is JM? I don't like the hit and run posts and voting at all. I'm going to change my vote. It should tie it up between two of my suspects, so I'm good with a coin flip.

I retract my vote for Zigman and vote to genetically test Judgemax.

 

[johnlarson66]

Besides being voted on by Lady G, I also was voting for her.

I think her game play was different and now it appears that she had issues going on outside of the game.

 

[Grins]

(game off/Beth hope you are OK/game on)

Looking at Bob's list by most votes:
zig (4)
grins (2)
judge (2)
ice (2)
ogre (1)
zsand (1)

Well if no one else changes their vote it looks like Zig is going. Either a newbie not being coached well by mafia breathern or the mafia is taking advantage of newbie carelessness by setting up an innocent townie.

I'm willing to change my vote if compelled to as I've already said but at this point the only other likely change would be JM it seems. Sure not going to vote for myself and I've already voted for Ice. I'm not against voting for JM but seeing that I don't have a strong feeling of Zig's guilt or innocence I'm not feeling any reason to make the vote tighter.

 

[Grins]

Grins,Lady G had voted for me and also stated I was not innocent. I am not answering for Ice. As a matter of fact, I think he is a good suspect (as always). I just do not think a late vote for him is good for the town.I wonder if you had voted for me, if Ogre would have followed.

He has no reason to follow me but I actually have you leaning innocent right now. You were the first to post in morse and I don't think a seasoned mafia player would have started the game that way. Joined in it sure, but started it? Doubtful in my mind.

Where is JM? I don't like the hit and run posts and voting at all. I'm going to change my vote. It should tie it up between two of my suspects, so I'm good with a coin flip.

Maybe she found a bulk buy for aquarium gravel by the ton and is busy trying to get the winning bid? :lipssealedsmilie:

Besides being voted on by Lady G, I also was voting for her. I think her game play was different and now it appears that she had issues going on outside of the game.

I think you're right.

 

[IceH2O]

Sorry folks, been busy.


Huh? Why towards me?


It may appear that Catfish was protecting Grins by voting for Ogre but then it may also appear you were protecting Ogre by voting for Grins. This game is making me paranoid. :drool: But atm the reason I wouldn't vote Grins is because I don't trust JM. IIRC, JM posts minimally as an evil. So even though I would have liked a response from her first, I'll go ahead and place my vote.

I vote to genetically test JM.


I'm also suspicious of JL and Ice for their votes on LG. I am slightly suspicious of Z for seeming to push the new players and insisting their alliance w/each other.

Well, it's my son's BD today so I will try to check in before nightfall, but will otherwise be busy.

If you're suspicious of JL then why follow him onto JM?

So a male playing the game is innocent? Not a very big reach there. If you found out someone is a PR I'm glad you're not saying who it is, and I'd not expect you to be so careless but forgive me if this is a bit meaningless to me without the benefit of the inside knowledge.




Ice, when we've been on the same team you've been helpful, so lets pretend for a moment I don't think you're mafia. Why would Ogre have been so vocal about being against the morse and voting you, Hooked and John (I think that was who he said) out for it if he was mafia? Why would he have made such an obvious target of himself like that? If I remember correctly others have said he is hard to read but a good player.



I've already said I'm not closed minded to changing the vote. If it looks like I need to shift it to another of my top suspects because of how the vote is going I'll do that. But I'll not be bullied into changing, someone or something has to compel me.



I thought your reasoning on LG was bogus, so I brought it back into the light. We all push the limits of others to see if the guilty will crack. Push away at me, I have no reason to crack Ice. Do you? Can you take some pushing back to test your integrity in town?

How could I find a PR? You are acting like this is the 3rd day and not the 1st day. No one but evils know who is what. Nobody has gotten investigations to know who is what.

You thought the reasoning on LG was bogus AFTER she came back innocent. You didn't post anything about it beforehand. My original vote for LG was bogus, it was based on a play of words. Her reactions are the reason I stayed and would have unless something changed my mind. Is my reasoning for Ogre also bogus? No concern that Zig also followed right in Ogres footsteps with his list and now isn't even voting for a person that was on his original list?

So Ogre wouldn't make an obvious target of himself but I would along with 4 other players? Wheres the double standard sitting now Grins?

Throw all you want at me, I have nothing to hide and no reason to crack. Every game I play I'm looked at as being evil before innocent so its nothing new to me to be a suspect.

I see looking at the votes that no one else is going to vote Ogre. I'll move my vote to my 2nd suspect I retract off Ogre and vote to genetically test Zigman.

 

[jpappy789]

Fine.

I believe I got what I wanted out of it anyway.

As I said in a previous post, my vote will stay as is. I believe LGs response to the morse code and her willingness to vote for me or John just to get rid of the annoyance is very anti town.Same with Ogre. They are the only 2 looking to get rid of the players.

They are also the 2 that made the most stink about the code. I don't see how its so hard or time consuming to copy and paste a code into a translator. A lot easier then going back and forth and pulling quotes for a case.

One of LGs post even go as far as to say that John and I are NOT innocents. How could she know what we are?

I do not buy the whole "it was a plan" thing.

Sorry folks, been busy.


Huh? Why towards me?


It may appear that Catfish was protecting Grins by voting for Ogre but then it may also appear you were protecting Ogre by voting for Grins. This game is making me paranoid. :drool: But atm the reason I wouldn't vote Grins is because I don't trust JM. IIRC, JM posts minimally as an evil. So even though I would have liked a response from her first, I'll go ahead and place my vote.

I vote to genetically test JM.


I'm also suspicious of JL and Ice for their votes on LG. I am slightly suspicious of Z for seeming to push the new players and insisting their alliance w/each other.

Well, it's my son's BD today so I will try to check in before nightfall, but will otherwise be busy.

I agree with you about the JM post. Too suspicious for day one to not put a vote IMO. I retract my vote on Grins and vote to genetically test Jmax

I still have some more posts to go through and comment but wanted to make sure I didnt forget the vote...and Im glad the MC stopped!