Mafia 52: Killer Comes A Courtin' (The Play)

[IceH2O]

Kash has been mafia and mucs in two games in a row now. Since the game rules said something about mafia eating pizza, I thought it would be funny to ask what Kash liked on her pizza kinda poking fun.
My question is: Ice: Why wouldn't you if you were the doctor and found out who the SK was try and take him out?? You said you didn't know if you would. The SK seems pretty anti-town to me.

How do we know what the SK is? Only the SK knows which way they want to roll. If pro town he is an asset as if we have 2 mafia in view we can lynch one and he can take the other out.

If they want to be anti town they can do some damage. A possible hit everyday could end the game quickly.

I'm on a wait and see scenario. If hits come quickly then its best to take the SK down.


So explain to me why you perceive them to be anti town from the outset? The rules say he can be whichever he wants.



I accept the answer to why you asked Kash. Now answer why DD and I are the only ones to have gotten the joke when everyone played along?

 

[jpappy789]

How do we know what the SK is? Only the SK knows which way they want to roll. If pro town he is an asset as if we have 2 mafia in view we can lynch one and he can take the other out.

If they want to be anti town they can do some damage. A possible hit everyday could end the game quickly.

I'm on a wait and see scenario. If hits come quickly then its best to take the SK down.


So explain to me why you perceive them to be anti town from the outset? The rules say he can be whichever he wants.



I accept the answer to why you asked Kash. Now answer why DD and I are the only ones to have gotten the joke when everyone played along?

IMO it doesn't matter how pro-town the SK is they still have a good chance of hitting townies. One person's gut instinct is no different really than the collective votes of the town in this situation. On the flip side if they are with the mafia they have a chance of hitting mafia too, but even less so than townies given a normal split of more innocents/less evils.

In this game the SK can choose whatever "side" they want but the outcome of the hits are not going to follow those lines 100% of the time.

 

[Luvbugz]

The way I look at it is: The SK can kill all willy nilly whomever he/she wants and whenever they want. I highly doubt they are really gonna pick sides to "help" because they are totally in it for their self preservation. The way I look at it we already have the mafia picking us off one by one, why take a chance at getting picked off by the SK too??

 

[Kashta]

I'm better than Italian I'm Sicilian.


Pretty simple rules Noodles. The Dr better investigate the person they distrust the most since they only get 1 try to see if that person is good or bad.
The good news is the mafia only get 1 invest so they only have 1 chance to find the Dr.

I'm on the fence about the SK. Not sure that if I was the Dr and found them that I would protect them or out them.

So for discussion sake.....

If you knew who the SK was would you save them or lynch them?

That got me thinking... Few reasons come to mind which lead me to decide that I would take out the SK if I knew who it was. The SK has no allegiance to one side or the other so nothing they do or say is going to help us root out scum... if ongoing participation doesn't benefit any of us (isn't particularly pro-town), then there's no reason (so far) to protect them or keep that person in the game.

At best, they'll just add to the confusion which also doesn't help us... that would help the mafia more than anyone else. At worst, they'll be able to kill at random instead of selectively..... where the population of potential victims is something around 3/4 townies to 1/4 scum. So lacking any reason to target scum over citizens those random deaths will more likely kill innocents.

I see more ways in which the SK will likely hurt us more than help us, so that's more reason to remove them.

 

[dirtydawg10]

I think the taking out the SK deal will depend on who the SK hits. If they have bad judgment and/or are purposely hitting townies they need to go down. If the hits fall on the mafia they stay. The SK could also take the place of the UD's if they are so inclined. I think it all depends on the actions of the SK.

 

[noodles62]

Interesting thoughts about the SK. I am not sure at this early point in the game if I would take them out or not, if I figured out who it was.... The rules state that the Mafia wins when they out number the town + the SK; so in that respect keeping him around helps the towns numbers. However if the SK is picking off the townies right and left, he has got to go.....I am a little confused (yea, I know - here she goes!) where the rules state that the SK wins if they survive till either the mafia or the town win the game. So does the SK's win supercede a town or mafia win? does that mean both sides lose and the SK wins? If that is the case then it would be in the towns best interest to take him out for the win...kind of a damned if you do, damned if you dont.

 

[noodles62]

SK is odd...they don't apparently have to kill anyone...they win by staying alive...per the rules they don't apparently care if the mafia or town win as they win either way. So unless they are an altruistic pro-town by choice sort...meh

Lessee...I reckon the mafia are emmmmmmmmm...Noodles for sure, Ice most likely...possibly Coler. Nah not Coler actually I read him innocent.

:silly:

 

[IceH2O]

I think the taking out the SK deal will depend on who the SK hits. If they have bad judgment and/or are purposely hitting townies they need to go down. If the hits fall on the mafia they stay. The SK could also take the place of the UD's if they are so inclined. I think it all depends on the actions of the SK.

This is my thinking also. Why waste votes for lynching on low posters when the SK can just knock them off, if we as a whole determine its a useful proposition.

If the SK just starts sending in daily hits then yes he needs to be removed. If they are taking down mafia then he stays.

He does count towards our numbers so in my mind he is a townie until actions prove otherwise.

Noodles, the SK wins if alive at the end of the game no matter which side wins. As long as they survive.

 

[mostlycichlids]

Well, just checking in, I just woke up and caught up on threads....going to look at a new dog so will be out for a bit but I will be back later.

I'm better than Italian I'm Sicilian.


Pretty simple rules Noodles. The Dr better investigate the person they distrust the most since they only get 1 try to see if that person is good or bad.
The good news is the mafia only get 1 invest so they only have 1 chance to find the Dr.

I'm on the fence about the SK. Not sure that if I was the Dr and found them that I would protect them or out them.

So for discussion sake.....

If you knew who the SK was would you save them or lynch them?

I don't know, after reading through everyone elses opinions on the SK I am really on the fence if I would out him/her or not. As I think ddawg had stated the SK could be helpful at taking out UD's, as the rules read they can pick a side but can't communicate with anyone. If they decide to kill someone it is going to be totally random and who knows if ti would be mafia or innocent. Also there is possibility of them playing both sides of the fence. I would lean more towards getting rid of such player first.

Another thing that bothers me. You say and DD and I got the joke. Seems everyone pretty much went along with it, MC and Kash being the only ones that somewhat questioned it. So WHY point out the only DD and I got it?

That does seem strange, and still has not been answered...correct me if I am wrong.

Kash has been mafia and mucs in two games in a row now. Since the game rules said something about mafia eating pizza, I thought it would be funny to ask what Kash liked on her pizza kinda poking fun.
My question is: Ice: Why wouldn't you if you were the doctor and found out who the SK was try and take him out?? You said you didn't know if you would. The SK seems pretty anti-town to me.

How is the SK totally anti-town, why do you say this? The rules are pretty specific as to the SK being able to play both roles or choose. The SK also does not have to kill anyone, but can kill anytime if they so choose. I am just curious to know your thinking on this?

The way I look at it is: The SK can kill all willy nilly whomever he/she wants and whenever they want. I highly doubt they are really gonna pick sides to "help" because they are totally in it for their self preservation. The way I look at it we already have the mafia picking us off one by one, why take a chance at getting picked off by the SK too??

...lol looks like you answered the Q above already. I still don't know yeah SK are scum but in this game there is a real twist to the SK role IMO which can help the townies...esp if they try and hit someone and find them to be mafia. Also what if the SK is killing for a vengence to get rid of mafia...I guess only the SK knows his true role?

 

[ZSandmann]

One thing too...it seems that the rules say the Sk can kill at any point during the game, not just at night. Is that true Z?

Correct