Mafia #53.5 Rock the Vote

[Kashta]

Wow! you all have been very busy in my absense. Think I can catch up on my post count?! :rofl: I have only been home a little while and have some things to do around the house before I can reflect on all of the infinite wisdom that has been spewed about......(apparently my house has been infested with FLEAS!!)

Oh good.. Noodles is back so she'll start posting now. I'll go do something else for a while.

 

[mostlycichlids]

Dang, MC. It didn't sound that stupid when I thought of it. A lot of people are a lot better at bouncing around than I am. People switch their vote around a lot (not me usually) and they often do it just to get a rise out of someone to gauge reaction... then switch it again to somebody else. Maybe I should switch it back to Rbishop. I just thought leaving it there was useless because it's too random. (And no, I wasn't thrilled about these rules because we're forced to vote before we have an actual suspect.)

Thanks for the clairification there Kash, everyone has their own way to play...I know you do it well so I wanted to call you out on that last quote because it sounded really fishy. I am not counting you out as a suspect....you are on my radar.

 

[jpappy789]

This is fantastic. Logical and concise.

The scary part is I'm suddenly seeing this is A) a way to push votes onto someone else and B) A cover for a teammate that fracked up.

One of the reasons that I find this less than comforting is that Luv brought the opinion that JMs misstep might be intentional. Could it have been the wrong person getting the extra vote?

I'm starting to think the whole give you're vote away to a teammate is waaay too fraught with peril to even try. I think JM made an honest mistake. I also think that Luv jumped really hard and really fast on it and now JPap is trying to calm everyone down about it without getting his teammate killed.



I'm not sure I buy this. The process of doing something like this would really push suspicion on the people doing it. Look at all of us on luv and JM.



Holy crap. One game I agree with John, now I'm agreeing with Ice. Moving to Austin must have really mellowed me out.

Huh?

So I am trying to cover for Luv...good joke.

My reasoning has nothing to do with Luv/Jm as I said specifically AFTER night 1, once everyone has gotten it into their heads that you need to vote. I also said I doubt Luv or Jm tried it out, and reading other peoples post I got that the general consensus agrees with me.

Please point out where in my post I am covering for a teammate that "fracked up"

Wow I just noticed there is 32 players this time around.

I RETRACT MY VOTE ON KASHTA AND VOTE TO LYNCH FIRE DANCER

I am just guessing that the reason for the retraction and revote is not because there are 32 players and so it doesn't really matter which innocent you vote for...just a hunch though

I'll go one step further on this tinfoil conspiracy. The chances are that an innocent will be lynched on day 1. I don't know the exact numbers, but if 75% are innocent then due to the overall arbitraryness (it's still a word, just ask me) of day one voting it's a better than average chance for a civilian to be lynched.

So, what if a mafia decides that he'll just throw his vote early on, not even intending to pass it to another mafia, but rather just to have a free pass for a day when statistics are on their side.

It's possible that there's way too much tinfoil going in in my theory though, I don't know these guys well enough to know if I'm giving them enough credit or not. If someone has a better sense let me know.

Interesting point. I'm not much of a mafia-conspiracy theorist as usually we tend to overthink what the scummies are doing. Especially this early in the game I doubt there is any behind the scenes plotting. But the format does allow for some, so I think its nice to discuss early.

Wow. Discussion has picked up finally since I left.

I guess I need to explain further my "being setup comment" since that seems to have been brought up alot.
I was reading through the thread this morning; all happy to have the game on again finally. I noticed that JM posted, but didn't put in a vote. Being my little hyper self, I quickly posted and captured his vote. Not two seconds after I hit submit, it dawned on me that his forgetting to vote might have been intentional. I mean, wouldn't it be a great mafia ploy to accidently forget to vote and then whomever claims their vote gets all the suspicious thrown at them?! I know JM is a good player. The whole vote thing was posted like a bazillion times in the sign up thread and on this thread. I didn't miss it.
I know the whole FD/JL thing has put me on edge. It never occurred to me until that game that people might intentionally setup other players. It worked beautifully in that game and everyone fell for it hook, line and sinker. It made me look at the game in a new light. I didn't want to get used so easily this time around.
Hopefully all that make sense and you can see where I am coming from. As far as whom I am going to vote for, I am unsure at this point. I am still leaning towards JM because it still looks like it was intentional to me. I just am not buying that it was a mistake. Could it have been? Yes, which is why I really need to think on this for a little bit.

Alright Luv, enough is enough. We didn't set you up as elaborately as you claim. We simply did not correct your erroneous assumptions and let the townies say what they would. It's good game play. It's what we all do to each other in this game, and it should be expected. Let it go. Playing the victim like this (with no reason atm) does not leave me having warm fuzzies about you this go 'round. I don't feel like Kash is the defensive one right now, but rather you.

Bada boom. I could not agree more with what FD said. I was following and posting in our mafia den and there were absolutely no complicated schemes to set anyone up. We decided to just go with the flow.

ok, easy enough explanation... I guess.... I thought you were more thorough than that......

so paps... why did you leave me off the list? You say you were bored and decided to do the list yourself.... do you usually not pay attention to detail when you are bored and have the free time?


you speak of the drama between Ice and Bugz.... are you talking about the things you had to explain of them both? Because the biggest drama I have seen up to now is between you and bugz...

After Rich said that with so many players he would need a spreadsheet I thought I would try using excel (usually I keep track in word) but it did not copy/paste well into the forum. So I retyped everything in word then posted. Its entirely possible that I even missed putting it in excel, I didn't save it, because there were so many early votes being thrown around.

 

[Kashta]

Thanks for the clairification there Kash, everyone has their own way to play...I know you do it well so I wanted to call you out on that last quote because it sounded really fishy. I am not counting you out as a suspect....you are on my radar.

That's cool, MC. I know it's different for me... even if I'm pointing it out too. And you're right... I should be on most people's suspect list. Doesn't even matter what role I'm in, that still holds up because playing this from the mafia side is how I learned the game. Looking back at the games I've played when I'm innocent... I wasn't very good at it. Those of you who were playing then (or watching those games) have seen that well enough.

My general playing style is also a reallly bad fit for this blasted format John's given us (those mandatory votes). But that's okay.. as I said, it's good for me to try different things.

I did take a break from the thread and have been messing about in other forums. Just saw this post and figured I'd reply to it.

Later on today, I'll try to work up a real list of suspects to post. Would be nice to see others put one together too. There's an awful lot of random votes just sitting around.

 

[mostlycichlids]

I am just guessing that the reason for the retraction and revote is not because there are 32 players and so it doesn't really matter which innocent you vote for...just a hunch though

lol jpapp....you must still be mad about me SK ing you in the last one....looking back you were mafia scum....anyway that really has nothing to do with your hunch...infact I explained my vote switch and how it is not set in stone....you can go back to post #109 and check it out if ya would like!

 

[jpappy789]

Nah, not bitter...we did win after all! :grinyes:

 

[OgreMkV]

Wow! you all have been very busy in my absense. Think I can catch up on my post count?! :rofl: I have only been home a little while and have some things to do around the house before I can reflect on all of the infinite wisdom that has been spewed about......(apparently my house has been infested with FLEAS!!)

Use Advantage on any animals and regular flea spray, should take care of it in a week or so.

Huh?

So I am trying to cover for Luv...good joke.

My reasoning has nothing to do with Luv/Jm as I said specifically AFTER night 1, once everyone has gotten it into their heads that you need to vote. I also said I doubt Luv or Jm tried it out, and reading other peoples post I got that the general consensus agrees with me.

Please point out where in my post I am covering for a teammate that "fracked up"

I am just guessing that the reason for the retraction and revote is not because there are 32 players and so it doesn't really matter which innocent you vote for...just a hunch though

Interesting point. I'm not much of a mafia-conspiracy theorist as usually we tend to overthink what the scummies are doing. Especially this early in the game I doubt there is any behind the scenes plotting. But the format does allow for some, so I think its nice to discuss early.

Bada boom. I could not agree more with what FD said. I was following and posting in our mafia den and there were absolutely no complicated schemes to set anyone up. We decided to just go with the flow.

After Rich said that with so many players he would need a spreadsheet I thought I would try using excel (usually I keep track in word) but it did not copy/paste well into the forum. So I retyped everything in word then posted. Its entirely possible that I even missed putting it in excel, I didn't save it, because there were so many early votes being thrown around.

There is so much wrong in the post I'm thinking of switching to you Jpap.

1) I think it was pretty obvious that you posted statements that implied there was no conspiracy between JM and Luv.

Another thing that seemed odd. Here luv implies that Jm post w/o a vote was intentional and possibly suspicious it seems, yet luv was the one to post right after Jm thus doubling there vote. IMO, yes it could very well be intentional but for a different reason. Try to follow me:

Two mafia could plan before they post for the day to post right after each other with the first "forgetting" a vote. Therefore one of the teammates vote is counted twice. This allows them to put another vote on an innocent. Instead of both people voting for the same person they can do the same without leaving any connections between them.

I think its farfetched for two teammates to plan this right away. But I think anyone who forgets a vote in their first post AFTER the first night should be a suspect.

You're basically saying that there is no reason to suspect Luv here.

2) been to the mafia den in this game!??!? This is probably sarcasm, but I think we can all agree that sarcasm doesn't work... at least the three times I've been lynched because of sarcasm.

I'll repeat my hypothesis. I THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO COVER FOR LUV'S FRACK UP!!!

 

[jpappy789]

:rofl:

Its funny how you are blatantly trying to twist what I am saying.

I said there was no reason to suspect Luv AND JM for conspiring. Where the heck did you get that I don't think Luv should be a suspect in anyway?

 

[OgreMkV]

:rofl:

Its funny how you are blatantly trying to twist what I am saying.

I said there was no reason to suspect Luv AND JM for conspiring. Where the heck did you get that I don't think Luv should be a suspect in anyway?

I am not blatantly twisting what you said. I interpret what you said as pulling some attention away from Luv.

I NEVER SAID that you didn't think Luv should be a suspect. Please point me to that quote. I said, "I think you are covering for Luv." Big difference.

 

[IceH2O]

Kash, I don't understand why if your vote was just a random shot at RB why you'd switch to another random vote on someone that hasn't posted and could UD?

Why not just leave as is and just switch to your main suspect when ready?

The rules don't say we need to switch daily lol.

I really don't see how having to place an early vote and being able to switch at anytime changes anyones gameplay.


MC, could be an acceptable excuse. I'd like it more if you had posted the reason at the time though.