OgreMkV
Father of Earth's Next Emperor
Sorry, after thinking about it for more than 2 seconds I shouldn't have posted what I did. You're at least getting there now. Unlike...
Why?
Mafia #53.5 Rock the Vote
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Sorry, after thinking about it for more than 2 seconds I shouldn't have posted what I did. You're at least getting there now. Unlike...
Why?
No need for sorries it's just part of the game. I agree with your hope for the det to find some of the more elusive mafia but unfortunately with the Doc gone it could be tough for them to just come out and say something. Just an observation...or are you trying to imply that it would be OK for the det to come out? If so I disagree.
OgreMkV
Father of Earth's Next Emperor
Why those six?
No, I'm definitely not saying it's time for the Det to come out.
I sure the Det knows what they're doing though...
The votes so far:
Wycco - Ice (486), Ogre (487), noods (490), jm1212 (498), jpap (509), DD (537), Dawg (579), LG (604)
Zaffy - dawg (488),
noodles62 - rocker (491)
OgreMvK - mc (494)
The Red Severn - FD (500), Ice (547)
jpappy789 - DD (501), Wycco (517)
Agassizii - Zaf (503)
AnniesNotOk - FD (506), FD (ann 504)
Dangerdoll - Rb (588)
Rocker92 - rich (538),
Danger of UD - The Zigman, luckydud13, jbradt, Jen4kngs
Wycco - Ice (486), Ogre (487), noods (490), jm1212 (498), jpap (509), DD (537), Dawg (579), LG (604)
Zaffy - dawg (488),
noodles62 - rocker (491)
OgreMvK - mc (494)
The Red Severn - FD (500), Ice (547)
jpappy789 - DD (501), Wycco (517)
Agassizii - Zaf (503)
AnniesNotOk - FD (506), FD (ann 504)
Dangerdoll - Rb (588)
Rocker92 - rich (538),
Danger of UD - The Zigman, luckydud13, jbradt, Jen4kngs
Yet still no posts...doesn't help ease my suspicion of you G.
So half of your list contains the same suspects as Wycco yet you think he is setting you up? Nice attempt...
FireDancer7905
I'm in love!
Ok guys and gals, bear with me...
As I read the thread and look at the votes I can’t help but feel that we are being led around by the mafia like a people by a poodle. I know that I have a nonsense vote sitting on Annie that needs to be changed, and I don’t like the options I seem to have (either Wycco or I must be mafia). There are sooo many players, and so little posting (I know, myself included, but I think I may be at an all-time with this game thus far, lol) there’re no bushes being kicked, and no new thoughts being put out. We have almost 24 hours left! Are we just going to twiddle ours thumbs? I have a hypothetical situation for all of you. It depends on my gut feelings about players, and runs with those feelings for all they are worth.
Assume that Jpap and Wycco are innocent. If we lynch Wycco today, and he comes up innocent, then Jpap the next and he comes up innocent we are in a sad place. So, let’s pretend that we know that they are innocent, cuz I say so. Who do we look at next? Ddoll? Dawg? TRS?
Ddoll has a vote on Wycco with a majority of the town. She switched from Jpap after Wycco pleaded his case ad nausea. I already pulled posts from her that don’t sit right with me. I can totally see her as the vet who pulled the plug on Z and Plant.
TRS hasn’t been terribly helpful, and seems to have given up on voicing his thoughts. Beaten down mafia give up, and become rude/nonchalant about their input.
Dawg has me the most worried right now.
I think you are setting up Wycco, because here:
you claim that Wycco is distancing and bring in Jpap, setting them both up to take a fall in your absence.
Above, you set up Ogre to look like he meant to out the Det, even though it looked pretty clear from his post that that was not what he meant. Again, it feels like a frame job to me.
There are, of course, others to be suspicious of, (like everyone!) but this is what I’ve got running around in my brain right now. I just can’t shake the feeling that something is terribly wrong about what we’re talking about and who we’re interrogating. It never hurts to look at other options.
I retract my vote on Annie and vote to lynch Dawg.
As I read the thread and look at the votes I can’t help but feel that we are being led around by the mafia like a people by a poodle. I know that I have a nonsense vote sitting on Annie that needs to be changed, and I don’t like the options I seem to have (either Wycco or I must be mafia). There are sooo many players, and so little posting (I know, myself included, but I think I may be at an all-time with this game thus far, lol) there’re no bushes being kicked, and no new thoughts being put out. We have almost 24 hours left! Are we just going to twiddle ours thumbs? I have a hypothetical situation for all of you. It depends on my gut feelings about players, and runs with those feelings for all they are worth.
Assume that Jpap and Wycco are innocent. If we lynch Wycco today, and he comes up innocent, then Jpap the next and he comes up innocent we are in a sad place. So, let’s pretend that we know that they are innocent, cuz I say so. Who do we look at next? Ddoll? Dawg? TRS?
Ddoll has a vote on Wycco with a majority of the town. She switched from Jpap after Wycco pleaded his case ad nausea. I already pulled posts from her that don’t sit right with me. I can totally see her as the vet who pulled the plug on Z and Plant.
TRS hasn’t been terribly helpful, and seems to have given up on voicing his thoughts. Beaten down mafia give up, and become rude/nonchalant about their input.
Dawg has me the most worried right now.
I think you are setting up Wycco, because here:
you claim that Wycco is distancing and bring in Jpap, setting them both up to take a fall in your absence.
Above, you set up Ogre to look like he meant to out the Det, even though it looked pretty clear from his post that that was not what he meant. Again, it feels like a frame job to me.
There are, of course, others to be suspicious of, (like everyone!) but this is what I’ve got running around in my brain right now. I just can’t shake the feeling that something is terribly wrong about what we’re talking about and who we’re interrogating. It never hurts to look at other options.
I retract my vote on Annie and vote to lynch Dawg.
I agree that it seems that way as the last two days (well, I guess all 3 days) have come to an almost unanimous lynching. But the choice is so obvious, at least for me- last nightfall and this one. I feel that I am making my own decisions and not following a pack. If Wycco comes up innocent then...well, I dont know. I will have to look at everything all over again. UGH! Off the top of my head, if Wycco comes up innocent then I will look at Jpap again. He has made a great case against him, which at this point I am in total agreement with, and appreciate him taking the time to put it together so I did not have to! (just being honest). It will also cause a few more of the vets to move up on my list....and lets not forget the noobs. Chances are very good that there is a noob on the mafia team. It would be odd to have an all vet team. There are so many players not really participating and it is possible that there are more non participating mafia - we can hope that many of them UD.....
sorry to ramble. I just got to work and am procastinating beginning my day..it's Friday. :woot:
more later...........
Gosh what a lot of posts and such little time...
Noodles- you take posts as directed towards yourself on a thread where I am quoting JPap. I was refering to Jpap as the glue between LuvBugz and Zaffy not yourself.
Ogre- I think he is innocent... do I know for sure... of course not... am I playing it partially as a joke? Of course- I think the whole stance on me being a suspect because I stated early on I didn't think Ogre was mafia is amusing- it's kind of an ongoing joke for me.
I suspect he is innocent because there seems to be a large number of suspects who seem to be painting him as innocent- and he seems to be going for people who to me appear to be Mafia.
JPap- As for the "I've been playing the OMGUS rule all game"- day one I voted Zaffy... Zaffy has never voted for me. Day two I voted JPaps- Pappy never voted for me. Day three- the only person on my list who voted for me before I voted for her was Noodles.
So don't be rediculous. It's not my only strategy- I have had reasoning beyond that. I wouldn't be so certain if that was my only strategy.
As for my comment that Ogre and Rocker should be investigated if I turn out to be Mafia... BY END OF DAY YOU'LL SEE I'M NOT... but if I were Mafia- Rocker and Ogre should be prime candidates too since- there seems to be an opinion amongst most of you that I am being coached by Rocker and Ogre.
If I were you- and I saw me being lynched and found guilty of being Mafia- I would look at Rocker and Ogre.
However, as you'll soon find out- I'm not guilty.
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ICE asked me to rate people
As for rating people. Day 1 and 2 I was less sure- but decided to make statements on hunches and watch what happened. It is the reaction to them that made me wonder.
Notice how JPaps and Noods especially have reacted- which makes me supsect them most of all... especially once I'm gone- if you look back at JPaps's mindless quoting- basically quoting everything I ever said and puts a tiny blurb at the bottom totally out of context.
I'd say odds of being Mafia:
JPaps - 99% sure he is mafia
- been pulling a lot of quotes from me that actually don't say much about anything... latest attempt is to say I've changed my mind... and about some players I have- that's the game as you learn new things. The early needless defense of Zaffy and Luvbugs too coincidental. Notice how much effort he's been trying to get me removed.
Noodles - 95% sure she is mafia. The whole "you seemed coached thing" when I identified Zaffy, JPaps and LuvBugz trio as being linked. She seemed to be against Kashta early on. Seemed to try and put suspicion on people against the trio- yet linguistic style seemed to be faux-non-commital.
BTW- notice how Noodles spends so much time looking for chinks in my armour accuses me of being coached- and then when I ask for examples of what exactly I've said a newbie couldn't have thought up- I'm told to do my own research! LOL- looks like you already did it Noods and can't come up with anything to back up your OWN claim.
Zaffy- 85% sure he is mafia. I'm actually less sure on Zaffy than the other two- he stays high on my list due to his and JPaps seeming bond. He's been on here less. Despite him being my number one target- his lack of defensiveness and going on the offensive makes me less sure of him.
Ice- 50% chance mafia. Yes, this is the one person on my list that does seem to qualify as an OMGUS vote. It's because of him starting the ball rolling against me on start of day 3 that made me suspicious. Why me as the first vote when I wasn't a contender on day 1 or 2? Was I on the right track? I jokingly said on day 2- if I'm right since I'm naming names I'll be a prime candidate on day 3. Day 3 when I woke up- I already had 5 votes with no one else having 1. Two of those votes- Paps, and Noods as people I had been saying were suspicious.
The fact I had so many votes early on when days 1 and 2 no-one had considered me looks odd to me.
On day 2 most people thought Paps was guilty... only because attention seems to be drawn to me people now think he is innocent. Noods on day 2 I think I was the only one pointing out her seeming dual nature of posts...
It could just be a coincidence that Ice started the ball rolling- on his plus side he never did anything to arise suspicion before hand.
What put him back under suspicion for me was actually changing his vote away from me to someone else who was not a challenger for my lynching. Why? Unless to seperate himself from the obvious mafia members (if I'm guilty) JPaps and Noodles.
I really don't know about ICE- I see it 50/50.
I don't think Ogre is guilty- in part because of the over the top way that he's been linked to me... dunno though- he might turn out to be. He also seemed day one and two to be going after those who I thought were most likely mafia.
My earliest quote on thinking Ogre was innocent (I certainly wasn't 100% sure) was from when I decided of the two (Rocker and Zaffy) that Zaffy was the most likely mafia member.
Ogre was originally instigated as mafia along with Rocker for voting against Zaffy. Seemed to be too many harsh conclusions for someone casting a second vote. Since then, a lot of it has been in jest- but yes I do believe Ogre to be innocent- because he does tend- at least in the beginning tended to be opposed to others who were highly suspicious.
There really isn't enough evidence either way with Ogre- gut says innocent. I think he is annoyed I said he was innocent though.
I've no idea whatsoever about DangerDoll I haven't paid her much thought. Looks like she thinks I'm guilty- can't say the same about her - I've as much opinion on her as I did before day one began. I really don't know.
Firedancer- I really don't know with any certainty- I put in the possibily innocent category based on recent comments and opinions... not really enough evidence either way to be conclusive.
JM, another one who voted against me- but I think he's most likely innocent. Again, not enough evidence to say conclusively one way or another.
Basically- before today- and yes, I've deliberately made a big-to-do on day three because, obviously I'm going down- and I know why I'm going down... I've been right on everything so far- Kash innocent- Luvbugs guilty- and based on reactions to me my suspicions on Noods and Jpaps will almost certainly be found guilty.
Knowing I'm going down (when you wake up and are already 5 votes behind you don't stand a chance) - I just want to make sure that if I'm going down I take some mafia down with me.
Anyhow- before today though, where I might have looked guilty to some- the only evidence against me was.
1) I had the same shortlist as Rocker. Luvbugs, JPap, and Zaffy.
2) I said I thought Ogre was innocent... I still think it funny that stating you think someone might be innocent makes you a suspect.
3) I was apparantly coached- but no-one can point to one thing I said that appeared coached. Apparantly I must have been coached for pointing out the obvious Luvbugz, Jpap, Zaffy triangle.
Anyhow - remember for day 4- don't let my death be in vain... you may be confused now- you may call it smoke- but remember who started saying I was coached when I started pointing at the above triangle and asked questions on her. Noodles. Remember her track record.
Remember JPap- the glue between Zaffy and Luvbugz- one already determined mafia.
Zaffy- seemed to be too much defence of Zaffy going on early on. (yet a simple comment I think Ogre is innocent when he wasn't a major candidate makes me suspect?)
Once you see I'm innocent if you get those three next innocents should be ahead.
Anyhow- this post took me way too long- I probably won't be back again until Sunday (beach here I come).
I've had a lot of fun... ironically day three has been a blast for me- I've enjoyed being attacked too much... I'm sadistic... LOL Great playing with you. No offense to anyone- nothing intended personally. Love y'all really! Bye
Noodles- you take posts as directed towards yourself on a thread where I am quoting JPap. I was refering to Jpap as the glue between LuvBugz and Zaffy not yourself.
Ogre- I think he is innocent... do I know for sure... of course not... am I playing it partially as a joke? Of course- I think the whole stance on me being a suspect because I stated early on I didn't think Ogre was mafia is amusing- it's kind of an ongoing joke for me.
I suspect he is innocent because there seems to be a large number of suspects who seem to be painting him as innocent- and he seems to be going for people who to me appear to be Mafia.
JPap- As for the "I've been playing the OMGUS rule all game"- day one I voted Zaffy... Zaffy has never voted for me. Day two I voted JPaps- Pappy never voted for me. Day three- the only person on my list who voted for me before I voted for her was Noodles.
So don't be rediculous. It's not my only strategy- I have had reasoning beyond that. I wouldn't be so certain if that was my only strategy.
As for my comment that Ogre and Rocker should be investigated if I turn out to be Mafia... BY END OF DAY YOU'LL SEE I'M NOT... but if I were Mafia- Rocker and Ogre should be prime candidates too since- there seems to be an opinion amongst most of you that I am being coached by Rocker and Ogre.
If I were you- and I saw me being lynched and found guilty of being Mafia- I would look at Rocker and Ogre.
However, as you'll soon find out- I'm not guilty.
========================================
ICE asked me to rate people
As for rating people. Day 1 and 2 I was less sure- but decided to make statements on hunches and watch what happened. It is the reaction to them that made me wonder.
Notice how JPaps and Noods especially have reacted- which makes me supsect them most of all... especially once I'm gone- if you look back at JPaps's mindless quoting- basically quoting everything I ever said and puts a tiny blurb at the bottom totally out of context.
I'd say odds of being Mafia:
JPaps - 99% sure he is mafia
- been pulling a lot of quotes from me that actually don't say much about anything... latest attempt is to say I've changed my mind... and about some players I have- that's the game as you learn new things. The early needless defense of Zaffy and Luvbugs too coincidental. Notice how much effort he's been trying to get me removed.
Noodles - 95% sure she is mafia. The whole "you seemed coached thing" when I identified Zaffy, JPaps and LuvBugz trio as being linked. She seemed to be against Kashta early on. Seemed to try and put suspicion on people against the trio- yet linguistic style seemed to be faux-non-commital.
BTW- notice how Noodles spends so much time looking for chinks in my armour accuses me of being coached- and then when I ask for examples of what exactly I've said a newbie couldn't have thought up- I'm told to do my own research! LOL- looks like you already did it Noods and can't come up with anything to back up your OWN claim.
Zaffy- 85% sure he is mafia. I'm actually less sure on Zaffy than the other two- he stays high on my list due to his and JPaps seeming bond. He's been on here less. Despite him being my number one target- his lack of defensiveness and going on the offensive makes me less sure of him.
Ice- 50% chance mafia. Yes, this is the one person on my list that does seem to qualify as an OMGUS vote. It's because of him starting the ball rolling against me on start of day 3 that made me suspicious. Why me as the first vote when I wasn't a contender on day 1 or 2? Was I on the right track? I jokingly said on day 2- if I'm right since I'm naming names I'll be a prime candidate on day 3. Day 3 when I woke up- I already had 5 votes with no one else having 1. Two of those votes- Paps, and Noods as people I had been saying were suspicious.
The fact I had so many votes early on when days 1 and 2 no-one had considered me looks odd to me.
On day 2 most people thought Paps was guilty... only because attention seems to be drawn to me people now think he is innocent. Noods on day 2 I think I was the only one pointing out her seeming dual nature of posts...
It could just be a coincidence that Ice started the ball rolling- on his plus side he never did anything to arise suspicion before hand.
What put him back under suspicion for me was actually changing his vote away from me to someone else who was not a challenger for my lynching. Why? Unless to seperate himself from the obvious mafia members (if I'm guilty) JPaps and Noodles.
I really don't know about ICE- I see it 50/50.
I don't think Ogre is guilty- in part because of the over the top way that he's been linked to me... dunno though- he might turn out to be. He also seemed day one and two to be going after those who I thought were most likely mafia.
My earliest quote on thinking Ogre was innocent (I certainly wasn't 100% sure) was from when I decided of the two (Rocker and Zaffy) that Zaffy was the most likely mafia member.
Ogre was originally instigated as mafia along with Rocker for voting against Zaffy. Seemed to be too many harsh conclusions for someone casting a second vote. Since then, a lot of it has been in jest- but yes I do believe Ogre to be innocent- because he does tend- at least in the beginning tended to be opposed to others who were highly suspicious.
There really isn't enough evidence either way with Ogre- gut says innocent. I think he is annoyed I said he was innocent though.
I've no idea whatsoever about DangerDoll I haven't paid her much thought. Looks like she thinks I'm guilty- can't say the same about her - I've as much opinion on her as I did before day one began. I really don't know.
Firedancer- I really don't know with any certainty- I put in the possibily innocent category based on recent comments and opinions... not really enough evidence either way to be conclusive.
JM, another one who voted against me- but I think he's most likely innocent. Again, not enough evidence to say conclusively one way or another.
Basically- before today- and yes, I've deliberately made a big-to-do on day three because, obviously I'm going down- and I know why I'm going down... I've been right on everything so far- Kash innocent- Luvbugs guilty- and based on reactions to me my suspicions on Noods and Jpaps will almost certainly be found guilty.
Knowing I'm going down (when you wake up and are already 5 votes behind you don't stand a chance) - I just want to make sure that if I'm going down I take some mafia down with me.
Anyhow- before today though, where I might have looked guilty to some- the only evidence against me was.
1) I had the same shortlist as Rocker. Luvbugs, JPap, and Zaffy.
2) I said I thought Ogre was innocent... I still think it funny that stating you think someone might be innocent makes you a suspect.
3) I was apparantly coached- but no-one can point to one thing I said that appeared coached. Apparantly I must have been coached for pointing out the obvious Luvbugz, Jpap, Zaffy triangle.
Anyhow - remember for day 4- don't let my death be in vain... you may be confused now- you may call it smoke- but remember who started saying I was coached when I started pointing at the above triangle and asked questions on her. Noodles. Remember her track record.
Remember JPap- the glue between Zaffy and Luvbugz- one already determined mafia.
Zaffy- seemed to be too much defence of Zaffy going on early on. (yet a simple comment I think Ogre is innocent when he wasn't a major candidate makes me suspect?)
Once you see I'm innocent if you get those three next innocents should be ahead.
Anyhow- this post took me way too long- I probably won't be back again until Sunday (beach here I come).
I've had a lot of fun... ironically day three has been a blast for me- I've enjoyed being attacked too much... I'm sadistic... LOL Great playing with you. No offense to anyone- nothing intended personally. Love y'all really! Bye
