5 gallon pond possible?

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Thinking about setting up a 5 gallon tank to simulate a pond. Where the plants in the pond remove all of the nitrates so I only need to add water.

If I did my research correctly, in aquariums you would have to do water changes because of the build up of nitrates. While in ponds the algae and pond plants remove or convert the nitrates.

Is this possible?
 
It's the anaerobic bacteria that form on accumulated organic matter at the bottom that convert the nitrate into nitrogen gas. This is why you see in saltwater setups deep sand beds employed for this very reason. The plants consume the nitrate level. It sounds like you are aiming for a Diana Walstad setup. I am rather tired at the moment to conduct further searches on more references and employed wikipedia instead to tell you what a Diana Walstad setup is all about.
http://theaquariumwiki.com/Walstad_method
 
5 gals. = pond?

Nano pond.
 
It is possible. I have a nine gallon aquarium, heavily planted. I also have a deep sand bed, tho' it's a freshwater setup. Currently I'm using some sintered glass biomedia and floss in a quick 'n' dirty filter but I only need it because I'm raising multiple generations of Endler's Livebearers so I feed six times a day.

Without all the fry and extra feedings, I have no need of filtration except for some floss to polish the water and to circulate it for gas exchange at the surface. With fewer fish, I could dispense with the circulation - I've a friend with a planted tank, deep sand bed, and a few dwarf puffers, and no powerheads or filters.

My nitrates are very steady at 10ppm and prior to the Endlers fry, 0ppm ammonia and nitrite. I very very rarely do water changes.

Read Waltstad's book "Ecology of the Planted Tank." Between that and my mentor's input on using freshwater deep sand beds, I've made a nine gallon nano pond.

Interestingly, the Walstad demonstrates that the majority of aquatic plants show a marked preference for ammonia, followed by nitrite, followed by nitrate. Terrestrial plants prefer them in reverse order.

Mulm sinks down through the sand as it disintegrates and reaches the anaerobic level, where denitration (an many other bacterial processes) generates nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and other gases which bubble up from time to time quite harmlessly. I NEVER vacuum.

To keep the sand from going completely anoxic, I've introduced malaysian trumpet snails and california black worms, which burrow and help water to circulate deeper into the sand.

Most posts seem to recommend lots of filtration and water changes and gravel vacuuming. To me, that style of tank is too sterile and doesn't have enough going on in it. Fish are great, thats why most of us keep tanks, but a fish in an ecosystem for context, to give the fish things to nibble on, to hide in is to me a whole lot more interesting. I'd say the work needed for either is about the same, but I'd rather be aquascaping, trimming plants, than vacuuming gravel and cleaning canister filters and changing water.

I dream of getting a 100gal and creating an amazon oxbow lake biotope or something very low circulation with discus or angelfish plus LOTs of teeny, little fish, shrimps, worms, etc.
 
Wait, I'm confused. What's the issue again? To simulate a five gallon pond or to simulate a pond within a five gallon aquarium?
 
Wait, I'm confused. What's the issue again? To simulate a five gallon pond or to simulate a pond within a five gallon aquarium?
Well I guess you can say I wanted to create a pond like environment for my single betta, but I also wanted to put some dwarf lilies and some oxygenators so I don't have to do water changes.
 
I have a dwarf lily (or so it was advertised) out in the pond right now. It was advertised as having only a 1-3 foot spread, but it is currently about 5-6 feet wide and still putting out new pads. I am envisioning a 5 gallon bucket as roughly the size of your tank, is that about right? I think one lily will take over your entire tank, especially indoors where it doesn't have to wait on good weather to put on growth. My other concern would be whether one fish can make enough poo to keep the plants fed and happy. I am sure the plants can keep up with the one fish in regards to keeping the water clean, but what about the other way 'round?

Jen
 
I think it will work. I've had an 8 gallon planted tank set up for months that has no fish and I use no ferts. I have an internal filter running because I don't want the water to be stagnant but the plants would probably be find without it. It's lush and green and I have to trim the plants twice a month. I'm guessing the plants in my tank use the farm runoff in my tap water for food. I doubt tap water could have more ammonia/nitrite/nitrate than a betta would produce.

I say go for it. If it doesn't work it can fixed.
 
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