Mafia 54:Vampires Return (The Play)

You guys don't even have to quote my posts. I spelled everything out very clearly about what I thought made the most sense. Everyone I suspected.. everyone I thought might be innocent... it all stemmed from my take on what Rbishop did.

I really tried to find some way to explain him doing that if he was innocent. But I couldn't find an explanation and he wouldn't give us one. At first, I thought Bishop was a PR and he was trying to help us by going after Jpappy. Maybe he had investigation results to pass to us. I was online here as it happened. I saw Noodles vote Jpappy and was close to doing the same thing myself. I just hesitated first when she didn't. Noods jumped right in with both feet.

Next thing I knew, Rbishop turned on Noods right away. That's what spooked me so much. (That's where my "hair on the neck raising" post came from.) I was relieved that I'd held back and been more cautious... thinking had I been the one to jump first... that could have been me instead of Noodles that he turned on. And the only reason it wasn't was because I wasn't sure... I needed to re-read everything first.

You're both right.. this makes me the most obvious choice for the next lynch. I still don't even understand why Bishop would have done that to Noodles. He couldn't have known she would vote right away. He's not even a PR... Ice would have said so.

I really tried.. nothing I've done has been any help at all. I spent a lot of time trying to work this out. Now, I've got nothing on. No way even to defend myself in case I was wrong.
 
nothing on = nothing to go on.
 
Yay team!

Thinking out loud again...

Let's say both Rich and Jpap were vamps. Rich purposefully makes it a tie, knowing that it doesn't matter which one goes. He votes Rb, knowing that the LV has targeted Rb... that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If Jpap was staked, it doesn't help him to have voted an innocent like that. I almost have to conclude that Rich is innocent.

Assuming that Rich is innocent, then I think I have to agree with Dawg and

I vote to lynch Kash
 
OgreMkV said:
Yay team!

Thinking out loud again...

Let's say both Rich and Jpap were vamps. Rich purposefully makes it a tie, knowing that it doesn't matter which one goes. He votes Rb, knowing that the LV has targeted Rb... that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If Jpap was staked, it doesn't help him to have voted an innocent like that. I almost have to conclude that Rich is innocent.

Assuming that Rich is innocent, then I think I have to agree with Dawg and

I vote to lynch Kash
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Wait, though, Rich might have been hoping that RB was turned instead of killed, then the vamps (including kash?) push Rb under the bus and Rich looks really good again.

I'm going to leave my vote where it is, but I really don't know right now.
 
I am suprised it went to a tie.

Is there any rule about the LV changing or passing the role on? I think we did that one game, but I am unsure.

The tie to me makes no sense. I really thought jpap was the LV and rich was a vampire. With the vote being a tie, unless they were able to switch the LV to another player I can't see them going to a tie.

If jpap was the LV and switched, then if jpap was investigated when he was the LV he would have shown innocent. Hopefully someone can clear up the switch rule, not all of this games rules are posted (like how to vote).

If there is a switch option for the vampires, then rich could be a vampire, I can't see him being the LV or having the LV passed on to him.
 
Coler said:
Hmmmm I'm confused.

Rich's avowed refusal to vote for jappy if continued to the bitter end means either both he and jpappy are mafia or he is indeed innocent imo.
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Coler said:
Okey dokey I'm now totally at a loss...only the following makes sense :
Either :

1. Rich is in fact unbelieeeeeeeeeeevaly altuistic in making the tie - perhaps he is an ordinary villager and doesn't want to risk killing a town power role or
2. Rich is in fact a vampire. This for me makes jpappy almost certainly a vampire unless,
3. Rich is a vampire but the communication/co-ordination has collapsed on the vampire team making this an appallingly badly conducted nightfall.

Those are the only things that could make sense. Yes that means he's either innocent or guilty.
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Coler stating he is confused. That word always bothers me in these games.

I to am trying to make some sense out of the tie and the 2 votes for Rb instead of jpap or rich. Part of me thinks that rich just likes the attention.
 
I am not going to clear rich, but I am fairly sure he is not the LV. If he was the LV he would have saved himself. If there was a swtich rule, they would not have switched the LV role to rich.

Kash was sure jpap was innocent and was also pointed out that Rb would be a good turn.

I don't think she would have stated this and then turned Rb. I also don't she would've posted like she did about jpap if there was a chance that he could be lynched. The votes were tight and she stuck her neck out. The LV or a fellow vampire, I don't think, would do that. Kash is too easy of a suspect.

I think the turning attempt of Rb is telling.
 
After a little reading, here are my top three

dawg - I think he is keeping a safe enough distance back and is trying to start a train on Kash, who is an easy target, but not a good target. I think he wanted to get one going on rich. What doesn't make sense is why a vampire did not try ro save jpap. dawgs vote on Rb was a waste, why not try to save jpap.

Coler - I think he is also keeping a safe distance back, maybe he will have more input now that he has more information. He was unwilling to vote jpap and voted with rich for a moment and then went back to rich. Was this his attempt to save jpap?

ZS - Another one just barely giving any thoughts or taking any risks. Playing real safe. Is basically innocent on everyones list. Was voting jpap, but when it looked like jpap could get voted out, switched to rich because of "attitude". Talks of others saving jpap, but by switching off of jpap came close to saving jpap.
 
Coler said:
final vote tally.

People on pappys list and who they voted for - JM, JL voted for pappy. Rich for rb, Rocker for pappy and lan for zaffy.

If you were assuming there was no extremely unusual vampire tactics (for instance pappy telling them he would not be able to play on D3 and would likely UD or what not so they sacrificed him)...the most likely from pappys list to be scum would be lani or rich as they are the only two not voting for pappy. Its almost impossible to believe three vampires voted for their own guy sending him to the gallows.

I'll be taking a really close look at lani and rich (again in the latter case)
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Coler has brought up some interesting points.

I don't think rich is the LV, I just don't see it going to a tie. He could be a vampire. There is no way he is the LV. He would've voted jpap which he was unwilling to do. Even when pushed. While rich is not making much sense and is generally a distraction, he is not the LV.

I consider lani a non-factor who is just focused on their good friend Zaffy. If lani is a vampire, there is no way they are communicating with the rest of the team. Unless Zaffy and lani are a vampire team. I could sorta see a case for lani being the LV and willing to send Zaffy packing as a way to earn the town's trust. I just don't see that happening and if I am fooled by Zaffy and lani, then I am in need of a long vacation from mafia.
 
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