Mafia 54:Vampires Return (The Play)

Wow what a lot of posts today.

1st point- if I were not the seer- you'd find out the moment I gave an incorrect prediction. Losing a vampire in exchange for a villager doesn't make the most sense when villagers outnumber vampires.

2nd point- if I "just received the list" - the real seer could invalidate me immediately.

3rd point- I have voted for John L but didn't get the votes- I couldn't get him removed without announcing who I was.

4th point- If the list is revealed- or went to a vampire- I'm dead tonight anyway.

5th point- Sorry Kash- I only thought about them axing you after I said who I was.

6th point as to timing, I thought letting the public know would be better than me dying a silent death as long as the priest hasn't been turned and will protect me. I thought being the only one going against John L since day one... and not being a serious candidate would mean I may be the next attempt to get turned/axed anyway and I didn't want to die without letting people know what I thought. I made a point at the end of last nightfall to post as late as I could my list putting JL at the top and RB at the bottom just in case I was killed so when it was revealed I was a seer you would have hints to go on.

7th point- I don't know if using an arrow or not is smart- I'll leave that up to someone else. That they switched lead vampire last night is a speculation only. I am investigating someone I suspect heavily tonight and tommorow I'll let the world know if guilty.
 
I just checked the wording. I'd taken that to mean the LV would show up as innocent on investigation results. That's not what it says.

The Lead Vampire will show as innocent the 1st 2 days/nights. He also has the ability to switch 1 time positions with someone on his team.
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Technically speaking... this applies to DD, Phoenix, and Noodles.
 
Kashta said:
I just checked the wording. I'd taken that to mean the LV would show up as innocent on investigation results. That's not what it says.



Technically speaking... this applies to DD, Phoenix, and Noodles.
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I take that back... that was dumb. (And John's suggestion is truly beneath him!!!)

If Noodles was the Lead Vamp, she dumped the role onto somebody else before she died.

She would be revealed then as a Vampire - not a Villager. Because she wouldn't BE the Lead Vamp anymore.
 
IceH2O said:
Mafia 54: Vampires Return


The Lead Vampire will show as innocent the 1st 2 days/nights. He also has the ability to switch 1 time positions with someone on his team.
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The way I read this was that if investigated the LV shows innocent. I took it on a lynch of the LV its game over.

He can switch once and I think Ice said he has to call it before nightfall - which of course means that if he is the lynch then one time he can transfer and keep the game going - you basically have to lynch the person in the position of LV two times...but I digress.

It might be one for Ice to clarify. If LV was to be lynch vote leader and transferred, would they show as innocent or vampire.

That said I don't buy into Noods as having been LV but hey you never know.
 
What are the odds that the seer and the priest were turned?
 
I am pretty sure noods was the LV.

I don't know why the game is still going on.
 
OgreMkV said:
Coler, there are a couple of people that are not on either of your lists. Namely, Paper, Rich and Annie.

I can buy 2 of the vamps on Jpap, but I still have a hard time buying that all of them were on him. They only would have have to changed one vote to save him. If that vote was on Rb or Coler (or anyone) it would have been suspicious, but with the revelations today, we've completely ignored those three players.
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The 'all vamps on jap' theory only works really if jpap's exit was planned strategy because he couldn't play on.

They would indeed only have to change one vote to save him - which means that if it was not planned and they wanted to save him, they were all on rich already.

That's why I'm saying they were either all on rich or all on pappy. If it was a vamp plan to lynch pappy they were all on pappy, if not they were all on rich.

So if its one or other of those, you would start initially with the six people on pappy and the six people on rich as suspects.

I looked at each six coupled with pappy's suspect list when known to be vampire and concluded that as suspects JM and Rocker fit the bill best for the moment.

Of the one's you name, Paper, I named already as another suspect with the two lads above.

Annie - good god if Annie is a vampire then we are truly up the creek. I accept that this could be so.

Rich - looking back on the rich v pappy night, again it seems if pappy was planned lynch by vampires, rich must be innocent - he didn't vote pappy. If pappy was not a planned lynch by vampires, they were all on rich.

Then there is the potential that both of rich and pappy are/were vampires...how they let two of their own become candidates would involve lousy play - somewhat unlikely. Further, surely they would have at least directed rich to sink pappy and get some cred with the town if that happened - we know pappy was not of course in LV position when lynched and one vampire is as dispensable as another in that position.

So most likely in the absence of crazy bad play brings you back to all of the vamps on rich or all of them on pappy. The rest is just my thoughts following on that conclusion.

But I am not inclined to ignore anybody.

Dawg - why do you want the hunter to shoot kashta tonight ? I would have thought if you accept JL as the lynch candidate based on guilt the scumminess of kashta becomes less likely.


In my earlier
 
Coler said:
Dawg - why do you want the hunter to shoot kashta tonight ? I would have thought if you accept JL as the lynch candidate based on guilt the scumminess of kashta becomes less likely.
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I agree it is less likely. But up until JL goes down we don't know who is lying. I just figured it may be an even way to take one of each. I also already said that it may not be a great idea due to the reasons you just stated.
 
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