Mafia 61: The Gunslinger - Game Thread

To be honest Z is on my short list.

If Jpap isn't then Z is the last mafia,just have had that feeling the entire game and he was actually my 1st choice to shoot till I read Zaffys list again.
 
I still havent seen anything from Z but I wasnt sure of the Zaffy either...

Take a look back through Z's posts Pap. It seems to me like he's trying to hide in plain sight. I could be wrong here, but that's how it seems to me.
 
Agassizii - No idea. Not helping, not hurting as far as I know.
Dawg - The suspicious thing about him is that nothing stands out, Normally he's a bigger player I think.
JB - Big help against annie on night one, a hero. See below.
Jpap - I could go either way on Jpap right now.
Kash - Shes clever, gotta watch her. Leaning town right now though.

Lab_Rat - Nothing jumps out, fewer posts than me?
RazzleFish - I dunno the deal with Razzle. Could go either way.
TRS - Not a big poster, playing his cards close, but he always does.
Z - Weird timing on a post imo, might be tinfoil, might be swamp gas from venus, might be scum. I could see shooting him.

I wonder about a Zsand and JB link, Zsand is pretty sure that JB is vanilla. He makes some good points. But if the scum team knew Annie was making a target of himself JB's post is a great distancing tool with Zsands support even better.

My mafia team is Zsand, JB, Anyone, Annie.


Ok here is Zaffys list which I love because he wasn't feeling any pressure.

Judging by the list I'm going to have to stick to my guns on Kash.


Can't really pick a 2nd suspect from this list I can't say Jpap because Razz gets the same reasoning. Unless Kash is innocent and Jpap and Razz are the last 2.
 
So you are still here...Kash, at least humor me with some sort of response.

I started to post a few times but there'd be 2 or 3 new ones hit the thread again so I stopped to check what they were. Ice made it clear he thinks I'm mafia, so there's no getting around that now. But what matters is he shot Zaffy so it's 2 dead mafia. What he's done so far has been outstanding, but he's going to make a mistake somehwere too... when he gets to me... which is fine. Whoever he shoots next has a lot to sort through... even if it's me.

If Ice shoots me next... (1) he won't be here to revise his thinking after he learns it was a mistake and (2) the others who count me as a suspect will need to make new assessments. So instead of jumping in again with overlapping posts, I've waited to see if Ice takes another shot or decides to wait. That's why I quit posting.

For your response to these...

Have you even addressed my question on how you could have 5 innocents pegged on day 2 without even having any suspicions of them?

Nope...from what I can see you just glazed over that one Kash.

My reluctance to make a full suspect list came because I couldn't figure out between Jbradt and Dawg or Pappy and Zsand, which I posted about. I ended up leaving all 4 names unresolved and listed Annie as my strongest suspect. When I went through the thread again, I felt both you and JB were making weak arguments and it seemed (to me) you were both trying to build cases on people who weren't as suspicious as you two made them appear. I decided from the early posts that Pappy and Zsand were actually helping the town and addressed the issues raised by Dawg and Jbradt in the replies they posted. I also noticed Lab Rat seemed believable while those who were accusing/suspecting her seemed to be more suspicious. (That part I posted earlier in my response to Red.)

So those are the 3 names I cleared at that time... Pappy, Zsand, Lab Rat. And I put those names on my townie list, along with me and Ice. There's the answer to the question you asked earlier, Dawg, while I was posting on other things.

Those who want to suspect me because it took me a long time to post a definitive suspect list... fair enough. It took me longer than I wanted to make up my mind as well. I don't know who the mafia are because they're not my teammates and (other than Ice) I don't have a ready list of innocents either. Once I could commit to something one way or another, I posted it. I didn't just post my suspects but also the ones I thought were not suspicious. And I've posted all the other questions and suggestions I could think of to help out the best I could.

Now.. Zaffy's role has been confirmed so we have new information to use for comparison. Ice is either going to shoot me next or somebody else (who'll also likely shoot me right away). Either way... my top suspects before Ice shot Zaffy were Dawg and JB, as I've posted. This may stay the same or it might change. If Ice continues to wait, as it seems he's going to now... I have some time to figure out why he trusts the two people I don't.. to see if Zaffy's mafia role changes anything else.. and so on. If the gun gets passed to me I have two targets in mind.. but I'll wait to hear responses and input from the others before shooting either. I'm llisted on most of the suspect lists now and the way that changes once my role is revealed (or someone else if Ice doesn't shoot me) will be very important to consider before I shoot at anyone.

While following this thread I also have to work on something else for a meeting tomorrow. I'll keep at this as I can and post whatever else I think is helpful as I go.
 
So I tried going through Z's posts...but I just dont know. I'm going to try and see if I can get on the same page here...

That's your opinion and I respond with a resounding ditto. There are a good number of people with "high" post counts so far. The fact is this is a low posting game. There is little to track this early with no votes to cast, so its really a worst case Day 1 scenario. I don't post if I don't have something to say. I may sit here for hours and read and reread but I may not say a word. I will make joke posts too, not to inflate counts, but to add levity. That's part of whyI do my "questions", but its also to guage responses to things that are irrelevant to the game.

I have no reason to believe MAd isn't being honest about random roles, in the past I have both hadn-picked and used random number generators to assign roles. I've also randomly assigned and then tweeked the results a bit. Regardless I don't think that's a helpful line of thought this early. Better to stick to behaviors to pin down targets.

Good to know you've got some ideas Ice, I don't envy your position today, that's for sure.

This is going to be a nerve wrenching Night 1 me thinks.

Kash thanks for answering my questions, that makes me feel better about your list now. Still I would think you could name a few people you suspect by this point, pretty much everyone else has. You don't have to vote, and chances are Ice isn't going to go straight off your list so there's little pressure on you. In fact almost all the pressure rests solely on the Sherriff this game.

No pressure Ice, heh.

Well Kash as I've said I feel is Innocent since she wouldn't give up a list on Day 1 even when I questioned her on it and Ice and others followed up. It's nothing conclusive but she does seem to be working to help the Town even though she can't solidify her suspects. She likes be able to say "So and so is scum because of this post, this post, this post, etc." This format makes that much more difficult.

Pappy... He is active and seems to be kicking bushes; I haven't got anything to point to that says Mafia, so I have to lean him Innocent. Also, his Day 1 list was Annie, Lab, Razz, Zaffy/JB. Do you put a teammate first on your list on Day 1 to distance yourself? I dunno. Other than Annie, his list looks a lot like mine so that also leans him innocent to me.



That is a possibility but doesn't seem likely to me. Kash hasn't shown much effort to really push Annie, so I think that would been a heck of a Hail Mary on his part.

I'll be totally honest here, I don't think Kash is Mafia. I think any self respecting Mafia would spit out names when questioned. Kash is really really into her notes and post digging. She even did it when I was on an evil team with her, so I think she is genuinely confused right now.

I will admit this format is testing my reading comprehension skills...

If Kash was Mafia I think she would have given names when I called her out. I know this post is going to be read as defending her but it's my honest opinion.

One thing that caught my eye is that Z hasn't really attempted to grill anyone or really dig deep. He posts a lot about this being a difficult or different format, and I agree, but it seems he isn't putting his best foot forward and is trying to make more excuses than anything. I see a lot of posts but not much substance...one might call his posts fluffy (past mafia reference for those who dont know). He cleared two people (Kash and JB) but hasnt made a case, as far as I know, against anyone. He really hasnt tried to rub anyone the wrong way this round. His suspects so far have been Agass/Lab/TRS (for low posting), Razz (for low posting and not giving reasons), and Zaffy (for not posting like normal). Not much there that anyone could potentially disagree with...

I guess I get where the suspicions might be coming from now. Its possible that the very style that is now suspect was working and I wasnt paying enough attention to him to see it. I remember that in the specific game where Z was caught for gliding through the game and being fluffy I had him as an innocent.
 
Wow, that was a good shot there iceman. Sorry I havent been that active, school and wrestling.

I would shoot jb right now. I dont think Z is mafia, but thats just me. I dont usually like going against the town, but he doesnt seem mafia type to me.
 
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