Mafia 62- The Play

[jbradt]

So then who is it...

A. Are you asking me?

B. If you are... I don't know.

 

[Lab_Rat]

So then who is it...

idk, but if they don't feel comfortable role claiming that's ok too. No reason to pressure them into it. Like I said, I'm quite comfortable with my vote on Razz.

 

[jbradt]

I went through the last 10ish pages and here's the stuff that stuck out.

I'm leaning towards Razz, not only is he on the snitch list but as Zaffy said, he seems like Scummy McScumscum

This bothers me a bit. Of all the people in the game, Mich chooses to follow Zaffy. Even going as far as to use a Zaffyism.

Since people don't like me this game, I'll play too if that's alright.

My 3 scum are Razz, DD, Mich. Then comes JB, Zsand, Jpap, Lab, Ice, Me.

In that order.

This bothers me a bit too. Zaffy seems to be going for the sympathy vote here. Zaffy, it's not that people don't like you, it's that you're not making much sense this game. I've come to expect a lot of silliness from you (which is one of the reasons I do like you), but you also generally have some logic to your posts and reasoning. Sorry, dude, but I'm not seeing it this game. The whole tinfoil conspiracy... I understand why you didn't want to say it. But it also seems like a really lame excuse.

WOOHOO! Great night.... except that we lost an innocent but Dawg, face it, you were a little off in your stepping.....

as far as the listing is going, I am cool with Zaff, Razz, and Mich also and am willing on going for a split vote.

This is an interesting idea. Anyone have thoughts on a landslide vs. putting both of the top 2 up on the chopping block?

Thought I'd have a look at JL's little psychotic break before then men in the white coats gave him a large shot of vitamin H.


Was he concerned because he didn't want the entire mafia team on someone to show innocent? Also, this post makes me lean JB even more towards the innocent side.


:bs: I don't think a single mafia scum voted for Noods.


More :bs:



Vote to save Razz, or at least give him a 50/50 chance



I'm comfortable with the inverse here, JL mafia, lynch Razz

I agree with Labby's analysis here. JL made the attempt to save Noods, seems he did the same for Razz.

Don't jump me for this...but maybe the vig should come out? I mean, their shot is gone and it would be nice to have another "100%" innocent just to put people at ease. It should be pretty easy to tell who is telling the truth if two people role claim and as a bonus we get mafia.

I was going to ask how we'd know who was telling the truth, but Mich beat me to it...

That's actually not a bad idea. Plus, the doc could protect them from a revenge hit from the mafia for next nightfall.

I've thought more about this idea, and it makes some sense to me. Since the mafia know who's innocent anyway, and the vig has no more special power, it can only help to know who it is.

Looking at Mich's voting record:
Day 1 he votes for scum. Non-contender.
Day 2 He votes for a non-contender.
Day 3 He votes for an innocent who is tied against presumed scum.
That's enough for me to call him my next vote if Razz comes up meatballs.

This is Mich's first game. I get that we need to look at him, but I don't think voting record alone is the way to go about it.

Zaffy are you claiming to have a better voting record?

Ice asks the obvious question.

I voted for who I thought was scum at the time.

Things change, part of this game is changing your mind when new information becomes available if that information warrants it.

Zaffy responds...

I voted Jpap because I thought that he had trapped Ag.
I voted Zsand because I thought my tinfoil conspiracy was plausible enough to go with.
I voted Zsand again because I had no more information to go on. I didn't change my vote late in the day because it was a tie and I was in no position to break that tie.
I voted Razz today because I think she's scum because of her voting record.
I'll vote Mich tomorrow because of his voting record, unless new information comes up that clears him.

Then he responds again. Take a while to come up with specific individual excuses?

So I'm assuming the vig is either JB or Zs. Better make that JB lol.

lol

Well my top 2 are Razz and Zaffy, the bottom part of the list is a blur. The only person's innocence I'm sure of is my own.

Mich has gone from following Zaffy to suspecting him.

Going to bed but just wanted to say, bite me, and I'm not the Vig.

LOL

It's possible. Michwol just doubled his post count in the game, he's on a roll. And he managed to do it without really saying anything except for what the town consensus is. Oh yeah, and that he's innocent. I don't know what to make of him, I'd rather lynch Razz, then possibly Zaffy, first.

I agree with this. Mich looks bad, but I haven't seen anything scummy enough to pull his noob card... yet.

I'm good with voting Razz or Zaffy. But I'm hoping to hear more about the pros & cons of a landslide vs. photo finish.

 

[Lab_Rat]

Ok, I'm taking a break from my seminar prep so I went back and looked at the happenings since nightfall...

Yes, but I feel more confident about you being mafia than I do about anyone except Zaffy. Just so that I don't get drilled here too. This is my list in order.

Mafia
Zaffy
Jpap
Everyone else
Ice and Me
Innocent

Razz, what has jpap done to not fit in with "everyone else"? That's one of the lamest lists I've seen. I know Michwol put one out that was equally lame, but I will give him the noob benefit over you. You know a list like that will get you questioned for garbage content. Maybe posting reasons would have helped.

Also, Jpap, you aren't much farther up than anyone else. Just far enough to put you into your own little group.

Still no reasoning as to why.

Since we're role-claiming... I guess I can out myself.


I am not the vigilante nor the doctor.

Zaffy, this is really bugging me. Why in the world would you even bring up the doctor role in this sense? It narrows the field for of doctor candidates for mafia scum, exactly the opposite of what is pro-town. Now if you're scummy then it doesn't matter, except maybe you were hoping to trick others into responding in the same manner, but if not then that tin foil hat of yours is interfering with your game.

 

[Lab_Rat]

This bothers me a bit too. Zaffy seems to be going for the sympathy vote here. Zaffy, it's not that people don't like you, it's that you're not making much sense this game. I've come to expect a lot of silliness from you (which is one of the reasons I do like you), but you also generally have some logic to your posts and reasoning. Sorry, dude, but I'm not seeing it this game. The whole tinfoil conspiracy... I understand why you didn't want to say it. But it also seems like a really lame excuse.


This is an interesting idea. Anyone have thoughts on a landslide vs. putting both of the top 2 up on the chopping block?

I agree with Labby's analysis here. JL made the attempt to save Noods, seems he did the same for Razz.

This is Mich's first game. I get that we need to look at him, but I don't think voting record alone is the way to go about it.

I agree with this. Mich looks bad, but I haven't seen anything scummy enough to pull his noob card... yet.

I'm good with voting Razz or Zaffy. But I'm hoping to hear more about the pros & cons of a landslide vs. photo finish.

Agree that the tinfoil conspiracy, while creative and original, is being used as a shield. Even after it was pointed out how randomly roles were chosen and that Annie was anti-tweeking the roles, he still voted on his conspiracy. One night, ok. But why didn't he vote for Noods since she was the one bringing up SK? Instead he votes Z? Makes no sense at all. He even repeats that this past nightfall. I think he didn't want to vote for his mafia buddy Razz, yet he also didn't want to be the kill vote on someone he knew would show innocent. The tie worked in the mafia's favor and Zaffy didn't have to take any risk of exposure and accusations.

I'm not sure the benefits of a landslide vote vs. a 2 or 3 horse race. I highly doubt Razz will be able to change my mind about his guilt, but the more I think about things, especially the voting pattern with Zaffy (which is ironic because he was the one to bring it up) the scummier Zaffy looks.

JL's attempts to save Razz pretty much solidified Razz as mafia. Why else would JL pull that stunt, he didn't know he was going to be nailed by the vig. I'm sure he knew that would skyrocket his mafia status on many lists, it sure did on mine.

What do you make of Michwol's last minute, ninja vote? A vote that ended up helping lynch an innocent. I was glad he stayed around a little afterwards but I didn't glean much from him, even though he did manage to double his posts for the entire game in that short post nightfall period.

 

[jbradt]

Agree that the tinfoil conspiracy, while creative and original, is being used as a shield. Even after it was pointed out how randomly roles were chosen and that Annie was anti-tweeking the roles, he still voted on his conspiracy. One night, ok. But why didn't he vote for Noods since she was the one bringing up SK? Instead he votes Z? Makes no sense at all. He even repeats that this past nightfall. I think he didn't want to vote for his mafia buddy Razz, yet he also didn't want to be the kill vote on someone he knew would show innocent. The tie worked in the mafia's favor and Zaffy didn't have to take any risk of exposure and accusations.

I'm not sure the benefits of a landslide vote vs. a 2 or 3 horse race. I highly doubt Razz will be able to change my mind about his guilt, but the more I think about things, especially the voting pattern with Zaffy (which is ironic because he was the one to bring it up) the scummier Zaffy looks.

JL's attempts to save Razz pretty much solidified Razz as mafia. Why else would JL pull that stunt, he didn't know he was going to be nailed by the vig. I'm sure he knew that would skyrocket his mafia status on many lists, it sure did on mine.

What do you make of Michwol's last minute, ninja vote? A vote that ended up helping lynch an innocent. I was glad he stayed around a little afterwards but I didn't glean much from him, even though he did manage to double his posts for the entire game in that short post nightfall period.

It's hard to tell with Mich. He's a noob, which makes him a wildcard, and his not posting makes it impossible to tell whether he's just a noobtard or if he's being coached. Although I can't imagine anyone coaching him to be spastic. I want to call him scum, but I also want to call him a newb.

The problem with being a counselor is I'm trained (and conditioned) to look at both sides. I'm having trouble separating from that and being suspicious and black and white for the game.

 

[jbradt]

I'd still like to see Razz or Zaffy's role before taking out the newb.

 

[Lab_Rat]

I'd still like to see Razz or Zaffy's role before taking out the newb.

I would too, or even both. Like I said, the more I look at Zaffy, the scummier he looks.

 

[jpappy789]

It's hard to tell with Mich. He's a noob, which makes him a wildcard, and his not posting makes it impossible to tell whether he's just a noobtard or if he's being coached. Although I can't imagine anyone coaching him to be spastic. I want to call him scum, but I also want to call him a newb.

The problem with being a counselor is I'm trained (and conditioned) to look at both sides. I'm having trouble separating from that and being suspicious and black and white for the game.

JL's not very hands on with newbs and usually just tells them to lay low (ie. Agass in his first game) so if anything I don't think Mich would be coached on exactly what to do...the fact that the team is already down 2 coupled with the fact that he's come under fire makes me wonder if he was told to start posting again. It's odd timing that as soon as he made it into almost everybody's top 3 he showed up and tried to help.

But I agree, I would much rather lynch Razz then Zaffy over someone who might just be a newb.

 

[Zaffy]

I went through the last 10ish pages and here's the stuff that stuck out.

This bothers me a bit. Of all the people in the game, Mich chooses to follow Zaffy. Even going as far as to use a Zaffyism.

This bothers me a bit too. Zaffy seems to be going for the sympathy vote here. Zaffy, it's not that people don't like you, it's that you're not making much sense this game. I've come to expect a lot of silliness from you (which is one of the reasons I do like you), but you also generally have some logic to your posts and reasoning. Sorry, dude, but I'm not seeing it this game. The whole tinfoil conspiracy... I understand why you didn't want to say it. But it also seems like a really lame excuse.


This is an interesting idea. Anyone have thoughts on a landslide vs. putting both of the top 2 up on the chopping block?

I agree with Labby's analysis here. JL made the attempt to save Noods, seems he did the same for Razz.

I was going to ask how we'd know who was telling the truth, but Mich beat me to it...

I've thought more about this idea, and it makes some sense to me. Since the mafia know who's innocent anyway, and the vig has no more special power, it can only help to know who it is.


This is Mich's first game. I get that we need to look at him, but I don't think voting record alone is the way to go about it.

Ice asks the obvious question.


Zaffy responds...


Then he responds again. Take a while to come up with specific individual excuses?


lol

Mich has gone from following Zaffy to suspecting him.


LOL

I agree with this. Mich looks bad, but I haven't seen anything scummy enough to pull his noob card... yet.

I'm good with voting Razz or Zaffy. But I'm hoping to hear more about the pros & cons of a landslide vs. photo finish.

It's not that I'm looking for sympathy, I was just playing with the idea since I have sucked this game. But please re-read my posts since the last nightfall. see how they stand.

I think voting record is a great reason to look at him. He's got a distinct mafia pattern to his voting.

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