Mafia 65: Masons and Mafia (Game Thread)

[Lab_Rat]

Something that has been bugging me is Razz's lack of participation. The past couple of times he's pulled the "wow, I'm really busy, sorry I haven't participated more" bs. He's proven it's an effective way for him to hide as mafia, look at last game. And we repeatedly fall for it. Many of us are busy, it's just not a great excuse, especially when used repeatedly, game after game.

Wow! 1st to post!!! YAY!

I assumed I would be late like the last couple games!

Is it possible to UD in this format? I assumed that by 'no lynch' you meant that you just didn't put any kind of vote out there. Mad could you please clarify?

Hey guys sorry I haven't been on. I have been busy all day and I just got a few minutes to get on so I have to wait until I get home to catch up and get my thoughts out there.

Those are all of the posts Razz has made so far this game.

Your excuses are :bs:. If you're really pro-town you'll post some real thoughts as to what's gone on so far. I suspect you'll post some wish-washy thought that amounts to "sorry I don't know but I've been busy, let me go with whoever is popular to vote for so I don't make some waves". Then you'll vote for whoever isn't on your scum team...if I had to hazard a guess, you'll vote for FF.

Razz, I'm pretty happy with my vote on Dawg. If he gets lynched and shows mafia, you'd make a good vote for the next day unless you step up and start really contributing to the town.

 

[jpappy789]

DD, I believe what I said regarding Dag's thoughts apply to yours as well. Yes, FF has consistently played oddly and thus it's really a null-tell on what his role is...I could easily see a communicating team telling FF to keep playing like he has because people will play it off as FF just being FF. The problem is, there's no way of knowing that. Basically, you can't just incriminate someone for playing like they normally do.

Which sort of brings me to what Lab said about Razz. My big issue was that Razz hasn't posted anything of substance. I'm willing to give 'em the benefit of the doubt for being busy but I do expect some actual thoughts the next time around.

 

[IceH2O]

Jpap why are you so willing to give people a pass?

So far you've given a pass to:

FF-cause this is his gamestyle

Razz- because they say they are busy when LR just pointed out they've used that excuse in the past

What about Zaffy? He hasn't posted much or Kash,God knows its almost impossible for her to be quiet.

Annie I can understand,birthday parties are a *****, but he better post something of significance tonight.


One thing I have noticed is that the following people want to make the FF/JL thing a nothing scenario.

LR
Zaffy
Jpap

add in JL and FF you have 5 players. I'm not set on this as Tex still voted/listed the same suspects as FF so I'm thinking its a team that can't communicate to say what should I do, so they are just following a team mate. I'm not really sure which I would drop though.

 

[IceH2O]

What are your thoughts about how defensive JL became when linked to FF?

What about how Tex also listed Dawg and JL then voted with JL on Dawg?

Jpap I was hoping you'd answer these questions for me. You posted but somehow missed these.

 

[jpappy789]

I'm not giving FF a pass, per se. I've already commented on how I do not like how he assumed I was innocent with only a page or so of posts. What I do not understand is how someone can vote FF just for being spastic and then say that it's his normal behavior.

As for Razz, I don't know his RL schedule so I can't say whether they're just hiding behind that excuse again like Lab suggests. I've already called them out for not posting anything of substance and I do expect some actual thoughts. What more do you want?

I don't have much to say about Zaffy or Kash. At the very least they have responded to what's been going on to some extent.

And I never tried to make the JL/FF situation a nothing scenario. I've said a few times that I am not sure of how Dawg jumped on FF the way he did and still is trying to connect the two. What I did say is that I do not think it has any bearing on JL and FF's role.

 

[Lab_Rat]

One thing I have noticed is that the following people want to make the FF/JL thing a nothing scenario.

LR
Zaffy
Jpap

I'm not making anything, I really think FF's posting does not indicate one way or another what he is. JL's reaction doesn't ring scum bells with me since I think I'd probably react in a similar way if FF had twisted my words in that manner. I am not leaning either one way or the other, there are others I'm wanting to lean more towards the scummy side than these two.

Tell me Ice, you don't find the opportunistic way that Dawg has attacked FF, and continues to keep at it, scummy? I don't remember this as a typical style of play for Dawg. Seems off. Much more so than anything with the FF/JL scenario. I also find Dag's vote on FF to be opportunistic and greatly lacking a good reason for the vote. If he'd back it up with something more solid then it wouldn't worry me as much. My guess at this point is to lean both of these players as mafia, with the idea that they think FF will be an easy lynch since his posts are quite easy to manipulate.

I think we're wasting too much time microanalyzing what a typically spastic player has said. I think most of us have played with him before so his posting has not alarmed me. If he is mafia, he's made great strides in his playing ability. I don't have confidence that has occurred at this point.

 

[jpappy789]

Jpap I was hoping you'd answer these questions for me. You posted but somehow missed these.

Sorry.

With JL, I still don't think his behavior with FF has anything to do with his role since as Lab already said I would probably act the same way if FF started to concoct some weird connection between me and another player.

I do not like how Tex and FF have such similar thoughts and how Tex just came in with a vote on Dawg and left. Not to mention his reasoning is completely vague.

 

[IceH2O]

Tell me Ice, you don't find the opportunistic way that Dawg has attacked FF, and continues to keep at it, scummy? I don't remember this as a typical style of play for Dawg. Seems off. Much more so than anything with the FF/JL scenario. I also find Dag's vote on FF to be opportunistic and greatly lacking a good reason for the vote. If he'd back it up with something more solid then it wouldn't worry me as much. My guess at this point is to lean both of these players as mafia, with the idea that they think FF will be an easy lynch since his posts are quite easy to manipulate.

The problem I have is what is Dawgs style to you? Last game he was mafia. I don't remember him going out on a limb to get FF lynched that game or anyone else for that matter.

You named 2 players with votes on FF and why it bothers you. My vote is also on FF, why doesn't that bother you? Do you have me leaning mafia? If so why haven't you said anything to that effect?


Thanks for your answer Jpap.

 

[IceH2O]

To add to my post to LR.

JL didn't get defensive about FF twisting his words. He got defensive about Dawg connecting him with FF.That is why he voted Dawg.

Not to mention why would anyone get defensive,especially on Day 1 about being connected to another player unless maybe it was because it was true.

Connect me to anyone and I'll laugh it off not get defensive about it.

 

[Lab_Rat]

The problem I have is what is Dawgs style to you? Last game he was mafia. I don't remember him going out on a limb to get FF lynched that game or anyone else for that matter.

You named 2 players with votes on FF and why it bothers you. My vote is also on FF, why doesn't that bother you? Do you have me leaning mafia? If so why haven't you said anything to that effect?


Thanks for your answer Jpap.

Last game Dawg was the Madman. Much more at stake for him if he got lynched so he laid low. This game he's got 4 other teammates with equal powers, it's not as big of a risk to his team for him to come out strong and try to get an innocent lynched. Now whether the scum team decided FF would be an easy lynch in their pre-game chat or if FF was just the first/easiest opportunity that presented itself, I don't know. The problem I have with Dag's vote is that he didn't give a solid reason for voting, seemed like some :bs: simply to get his vote out there (our grandpa really was in the hospital and Dag really is going down to Florida to help out IRL).

I don't have you leaning one way or another right now, Ice. From what I can tell, you seem to be pro-town in your posting and actively looking for scum. I'm not going to call you scummy mafia simply due to where your vote is placed at the moment. I'm looking at the content of your posts instead.

Razz has a history of laying low to avoid being picked as scum...he's doing it again so he is on my radar for that. DD also has me concerned with not adding much to the town except for some :nilly: on the FF/JL/Dawg thing.