Mafia 66: Farmers versus the Railroad - the play
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Let's see...the first was a response to jpap, the second was to JB, as was the third when he questioned me on it.
I claim innocence when I am innocent. It's a weakness in my game play I am working on improving but progress is slow. I'm a lot better at this when I'm scum.
And yes, there are two communicating teams...a factor grossly overlooked last game. Along with two communicating teams, there are also some innocents who KNOW from the start the identity of a railroad scum. All important facts to keep in mind before jumping to lynch someone.
I thought about the 5 scenarios before posting them. I still stand by theory 5.
Dangerdoll
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I have no problem with you voting Coler for the reason you provided if that's how you choose to vote. The thing I do have a problem with though is the fact that you say "people", yet you comment only on Coler... for the record, the "Noods" card was mentioned by jb once in post 77, the post where you mention "you don't like how people were so quick to defend noods" is post 64..... I asked who were these "people" you were talking about....
so now, yes people are defending her... maybe or finding reasons why they don't consider what you and Kash call scummy...that's not defending... that's looking at it from all angles. To take a position on something without such a view, I might consider being blind or should I say "blinded"...
post 71, quoted below... is this not the same thing as "reactions"? I am half expecting you to say... ah, but I didn't say "reactions".... interactions, reactions, it's all relative. Interactions are a reaction...
Yes, I realize this...sometimes I'm not so bright though. :duh: :nutkick: Maybe next game I can stop myself from making the same stupid mistake.
I voted for Coler because I believe he is scum. I voted for him over Noods because I see value in gauging the interactions between her and her other teammates. Interactions and reactions are not the same thing. Like I said, I would be comfortable with my vote on Noods too.
Alrighty-then. Here's Labby's 5 theories... which I have to say are well thought out and pretty much reflect the scenarios I had in mind.
Labby, I just don't see how 5 makes any more sense to you than any of the rest. And you totally discount the fact that they both could be innocent because you're "not getting that feeling". You HAVE to know more than me to be able to rule out any of these theories.
I'll say it again. It's day 1. It's going to be a long game.
Alrighty-then. Here's Labby's 5 theories... which I have to say are well thought out and pretty much reflect the scenarios I had in mind.Originally Posted by Lab_Rat
I've been thinking about the Noods/Kash interaction and have come up with 5 plausible theories.
1.) Noods is scum, got excited about being scum, and slipped up. Kash called her on it.
2.) Noods is scum, Kash is scum, and this was a distancing stunt since the early vote on day 1 doesn't tend to hold.
3.) Noods is innocent, Kash is scum, and Noods early posting seemed like an easy thing for scum to exploit. I don't really think this is the case since Kash is a much better player than that. Scum usually lets innocents make the case on day 1, not to mention it's way way too early in the day for scum to push a case against someone.
4.) They're both innocent. I'm not getting that feeling though...
5.) Kash knows Noods is scum because Kash is the immigrant worker. Remember, the immigrant worker(s) know the identity of a railroad scum. What a brilliant way to take advantage of a scummy slip up by Noods and then see who comes to her rescue. It sticks out big time that Coler jumped in right away to rescue Noods and try to set people onto Kash. Seems it worked. Noods seems way too squirmy to be innocent, especially for this early in the game. I think Kash did use that very early vote exactly as she intended. The retraction fits as well, it would be counterproductive to lynch Noods immediately.
Labby, I just don't see how 5 makes any more sense to you than any of the rest. And you totally discount the fact that they both could be innocent because you're "not getting that feeling". You HAVE to know more than me to be able to rule out any of these theories.
I'll say it again. It's day 1. It's going to be a long game.
Let me break it down for you how I came to the conclusion I came to.
1.) Initially makes sense but Kash's actions and her further clarification of why she posted what she posted makes this less plausible.
2.) Too much has been made out of this by both parties to be distancing.
3.) Not likely because scum tend to let innocents make the cases, then they twist what the innocents have said to suit them. I HIGHLY doubt experienced scum would drive as hard of a case as Kash has this early in the game. Easier to let two innocents take each other out and sit back and laugh. To me, Kash pushing as hard as she has makes me think she is the more likely of the two to be innocent.
4.) Normally this is what I would go with as happening this early in the game. Not this time, not the way Coler responded, jumping quickly to Noods' defense. Noods is scummy, I will gladly vote for her.
5.) This just makes the most sense when you step back and look at the interactions between the two and the knee jerk reaction of Coler. Why doesn't this theory make sense? We don't know how many immigrants there are. We don't know how many scum there are. There could be 3-4 immigrants which wouldn't make the odds of Kash being one of them that low. How else could she be so sure Noods is scum?
So you're telling me, you can't rule out any of those 5 theories? Because I didn't have much of a problem doing so.
No, my theory is sound and it's all my own. I don't know how many times I can say the same thing. :nilly:
Dangerdoll
Global Moderator
I don't dispute your reason for voting for Coler but I find it interesting how you now intertwine the fact that you voted for him and the interactions of him and whoever else into one post.... that's just me thinking out loud though.
You were trying to see the "interactions"... are you saying this is not looking for a "reaction"... really?
From day 1, it is nearly impossible to judge who is mafia and who isn't... there can be lots to be found in everyone's posts that make them "seem" guilty... I just don't think the whole point of Noods posting early and her being defensive because people were voting on her and ripping her posts apart as her being mafia... in my opinion, it is weak and reaching... and as far as anyone else being involved, namely Coler, makes less sense to me as guilt because defending just doesn't hold any weight, as there is no weight to be had with Noods in the first place.
