Mafia #67 - 50/50 -- The Play

Wrong. It's a numbers game... any known mafia should be dead mafia. As scum, FF's body-weight would have been equal to the body-weight any "more serious threats," as you put it...
Mad, you are terribly obvious in continuing to overlook the fact that FF WASN'T SCUM!!!! Did you miss that part? Are you in FF's support english class? Do you need to be? Why are we arguing about "known scum" when the kid was INNOCENT?

Did you bump your head?
 
My feelings are crushed, completely and utterly. How ever will I go on with life? :rolleyes: Oh yeah, that's right, I'm thinking you are scummy. Now I don't like the fact that your suspect list is similar to mine, don't like that one bit. Did you just copy my suspects to try and align yourself with me? And the whole picking on the fact that I use the term "when I show innocent", that's been done before in this thread too. That's nothing original there Annie. But your reaction to what I posted was way off base, that's some original content. Seriously, the whole guilt trip thing, then couple it with a compliment (yeah, hefty may have been an exaggeration), that's not something a townie feels the need to do.

:chillpill:

I think this town needs some freaking Prozac dumped in the water...
Percocet and Attivan for me, please...:D
 
So asking someone who you don't know isn't mafia to investigate you is completely different from asking the mafia to investigate you? Then later to claim that you meant everyone to investigate? I get it taking a risk asking a random person to investigate you helps the town because uhhhhhhh hrm that person might be mafia. I don't see the benefit there. It could only make logical sense if you are the SB. SB just wants to stay in the game till the end when he would have the chance to kill the last two remaining players. If both sides know you're the SB both sides will avoid putting votes on you.
Dag... WTF? Read the bolded part slowly to yourself. You wrote it... remember?

The short answer is YES! If you are asking someone, who's role you don't know to investigate you, then you are essentially asking both sides to investigate you. Is that not the case? I've only been speaking english for 34ish years. And I know you guys have all done a bang up job interpreting FF's posts for what they really meant so far.
 
that is awfully kind of you to forget to post what i was responding to, wow i bet you can't take a post out of context if you do that.
You mean like how you took my reason for voting Labby out of context without quoting the post? :bs:
 
It's going to be sunny, 70 degrees, today is my sunday, and i live in one of the most beautiful places in America.

What I'm saying is I won't be on much today. I'll be back well in time to place a vote, but you see pretty much where I stand. If you want to see a list... sorry. If you want me to explicitly state who my "top suspects" are, then get over it. I don't know where I'll vote yet. Maybe something will come to me at 10,000 ft.
 
Jst some quick answers out the door to work

Because you're scum. Apparently you claim to to have been able to rule FF out as scum in this post from earlier tonight....

Here again on D2 you claim that once you fingered Lab, that you cleared FF at the same time... Note the statement "At that time I figured Lab was mafia and assumed FF was innocent." Let's see if it jives with your statement from D1 (below) when your Lab vote actually occurred



I guess I'm having a hard time seeing where you peeled off of FF as scum there, as you specifically say things like "(I'm) still not saying FF is innocent," and "It's possible Lab is also a non-com mafia" (implying along with FF).


Is it just me, or is there a HUGE disparity between your recollection of the events, and how they actually happened? It looks more like you NEVER cleared FF, until he flipped town and it was of benefit for you to do so (or at least say you did so).

I like the hand-picked quotes reference, though. You said 'em, I just found 'em...

Really ... The point was that I thought Lab was much more scummy then FF which cleared FF enough to not vote him. You keep going back to mafia protecting mafia. FF was innocent. Lab is acting scummy. I don't see how you can't agree that changing the context of a post isn't scummy.
Mad are you protecting mafia?

i just simply stated that the SB isn't innocent, therefore having the SB around does not benefit the innocent any more then it benefits the mafia. I never said the SB was evil. I am kind of amazed that you would try and twist such a small and minor comment.

I interpreted it as you saying it was a bad role. I asked for clarification.I twisted nothing but you are trying to twist it yourself.

Ok, I just caught this...how do you know SB is a he??? As far as I know, Kash, Noods, DD, and I are not he's.

Really?.... Just hit me guys, your weak *** arguments aren't going to get me lynched. He is what I'm going to always use to address a role. No matter if DR,Det,SB.
 
My feelings are crushed, completely and utterly. How ever will I go on with life? :rolleyes: Oh yeah, that's right, I'm thinking you are scummy. Now I don't like the fact that your suspect list is similar to mine, don't like that one bit. Did you just copy my suspects to try and align yourself with me? And the whole picking on the fact that I use the term "when I show innocent", that's been done before in this thread too. That's nothing original there Annie. But your reaction to what I posted was way off base, that's some original content. Seriously, the whole guilt trip thing, then couple it with a compliment (yeah, hefty may have been an exaggeration), that's not something a townie feels the need to do.

:chillpill:

I think this town needs some freaking Prozac dumped in the water...

There was no guilt trip either Lab, there was sarcasm intended but I suppose it didn't translate well to type. You stating I haven't done anything "pro town" didn't actually hurt my feelings. Maybe that "guilt trip" you claim to have been on is an exaggeration as well, like the rest of that post.

Lab, in life I have found people exaggerate about things for one of two reasons:

#1: To make that thing look better.

#2: To make that thing look worse.

Why exactly are you employing such tactics?

I'm going to need a double dose of that prozac Doc.

If someone latches on then fine, maybe they too think you're a scumbag.

Your whole opportunistic approach is exactly what concerns me. Jumped on FF and didn't follow up on the questions you did ask. You just went right back to insisting that FF was scum.

It seems Lab did most of the work for you. Me to a lesser extent.

Those who generally "defended" (I'm using that word loosely atm) FF were Ice, JB, Kash, and JL somewhat. Who did you question out of all those people? One, and it was one post that was later ignored when JL countered with questions directed at you.

For implying that it was so clear to you that FF was scum and those "defending" him were too you didn't do anything to back it up at all. You wanted to stay out of the confusion? Why? It was clear to you apparently so what more could you add?

I await your follow up.

Really. Did most of what work for me Pap? I have been quite clear I did not vote for FF as a result of anything you, Lab, or anyone else posted about him. FF was the author of his own demise.

I take full ownership of my vote for FF. I voted for FF as a result of the posts FF made before and after Lab started beating on him. They were scummy posts. I did not vote FF to end the discussions of FF. I voted for FF to kill a scumbag.

Are you asking me why I didnt jump in and start beating on FF too? Lab was already doing a fine job of that. And you, to a lesser extent. Are you implying that by choosing to watch the chaos instead of add more I'm scummy and opportunistic? If so, why aren't you voting for me now? Are you waiting till someone else latches on first. If you have a case to build I suggest you go pull the quotes and post it. Otherwise, get off my lawn.

I didnt question the players defending FF because I did not know FF's alignment. Does this make any sense to you?

I started the game with the least amount of information available Paps, just like the other vanilla townies (or NCI's in this case...that's right I said it...Darn, innocent again...) so I felt I had said enough at that point until I gained more information.
 
Mad, you are terribly obvious in continuing to overlook the fact that FF WASN'T SCUM!!!! Did you miss that part? Are you in FF's support english class? Do you need to be? Why are we arguing about "known scum" when the kid was INNOCENT?

Did you bump your head?

Not arguing about known scum...arguing about your contention that even as scum, FF should be kept around. But I think you know that...

Jst some quick answers out the door to work



Really ... The point was that I thought Lab was much more scummy then FF which cleared FF enough to not vote him. You keep going back to mafia protecting mafia. FF was innocent. Lab is acting scummy. I don't see how you can't agree that changing the context of a post isn't scummy.
Mad are you protecting mafia?

Not protecting anyone. Just pointing out your early morning back-track on D2.

According to your post, Lab was not much more scummy, but that she was ALSO scum, along with FF... You NEVER moved the kid to innocent as you're now claiming to have done, UNTIL HE FLIPPED TOWN. Really convenient.
 
Day 2 nightfall tonight, and we are all arguing over semantics and rehashing old arguments.

I include myself in there as well. I too got caught up in it. For myself all I can say is I didn't care for what I saw as a deliberate railroad job.

Now it is time to vote before rushing off to work.

I vote to lynch LR

My reasons are for what I saw to be scummy behavior followed by scummy behavior with a touch of anti town behavior thrown in.
 
I see what you're saying here, Pappy; but the way that I look at it is that if there was that much energy behind posting for this game, then the posting would have been there anyway. However we could have directed it toward other things. Things that IMO could have been more productive than the NOTHING that we got from the way it actually turned out. Again, if you gained some grand nugget of wisdom from FF's lynch, then by all means; please share it.

All of this, however is speculation at best..

Agreed, it's speculation which is why I do not like why you have been implying it since yesterday...saying that we would know something more today by lynching anyone other than FF isn't something you can prove which is why the argument is moot.

That's a fair question so I'll answer it... for the same reason Ice is looking at Labby. You bolded the phrase "if the mafia investigate me" and left out the following phrase: they will vote for me. That totally changes the meaning of the whole post.

Then when you say it was for dramatic effect... I've learned from my clients that people who are being dramatic purposely are trying to sell you something. I'm seeing a lot of that going on this game, and not just from you...

I bolded the entire statement and anyone can read it.

I'm well aware that people check quotes in context when they're posted. People like you, Ice, Kash, Mad, etc. are great at double checking for word twisting and such.

Doing so in this case in no way changed the interpretation of the post. Please read it and tell me that at the point FF posted it he did not insist that his post was not directed at Lab but at all the mafia. You can't because his intention was clear.

I admit I went overboard in attempt to poke fun at Wiz's extreme use of red and bold. Haha.

Btw, would you like some girl scout cookies?

Pappy, at the time I made the comments they made sense to me. I still stand by my statement that we could have learned more from nearly any other lynch candidate, and possibly saved an innocent. If you've never come up with an idea that you wish you hadn't put out there, go ahead and put your vote down.

My point was you obviously don't stand by the statement that scum-FF would be a help to the town if kept around. The whole lynching anyone else argument is beside the point.

There was no guilt trip either Lab, there was sarcasm intended but I suppose it didn't translate well to type. You stating I haven't done anything "pro town" didn't actually hurt my feelings. Maybe that "guilt trip" you claim to have been on is an exaggeration as well, like the rest of that post.

Lab, in life I have found people exaggerate about things for one of two reasons:

#1: To make that thing look better.

#2: To make that thing look worse.

Why exactly are you employing such tactics?

I'm going to need a double dose of that prozac Doc.



Really. Did most of what work for me Pap? I have been quite clear I did not vote for FF as a result of anything you, Lab, or anyone else posted about him. FF was the author of his own demise.

I take full ownership of my vote for FF. I voted for FF as a result of the posts FF made before and after Lab started beating on him. They were scummy posts. I did not vote FF to end the discussions of FF. I voted for FF to kill a scumbag.

Are you asking me why I didnt jump in and start beating on FF too? Lab was already doing a fine job of that. And you, to a lesser extent. Are you implying that by choosing to watch the chaos instead of add more I'm scummy and opportunistic? If so, why aren't you voting for me now? Are you waiting till someone else latches on first. If you have a case to build I suggest you go pull the quotes and post it. Otherwise, get off my lawn.

I didnt question the players defending FF because I did not know FF's alignment. Does this make any sense to you?

I started the game with the least amount of information available Paps, just like the other vanilla townies (or NCI's in this case...that's right I said it...Darn, innocent again...) so I felt I had said enough at that point until I gained more information.

You want me to build a case on you?

Already did. I admit, there's not much to go on and I didn't pull quotes but I can put numbers with my summaries if you would like. You've done a good job of hiding in the shadows.

You say you kept out of the discussion to not add to the confusion. I say if it were so clear to you how the line was drawn then it shouldn't have mattered, if you were town. You didn't have to go after FF since you had plenty of other "suspects" to go after apparently. Pretty much ignored them too. NCM also start out with no information...what do you say to that?

Lab and I go after FF and others. You sit back and let us take the heat while you just keep claiming that you thought FF was scum in your crosshairs over and over.

Thank you for pretty much daring me to vote for you...can't pass that up...

I vote to lynch Annie

I don't care if anyone latches on. I already suspect you and I've made it clear that I do.
 
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