Mafia #70: The Time Vortex

[Madcrawdad]

Mad, why did you feel the need to address FF's use of "fishy"? Was this a way of communicating with him covertly?

I addressed it because his 'fishy' comment was directed at me.

 

[noodles62]

I find this rather interesting....The comments surrounding HN's vote retraction:


Posted at 9:41

What time is nightfall again? I got distracted with all the talk of cat fights and showering...

Posted at 9:47

I retract my vote on Wizard.

Posted at 9:52

Planning to place a new one or UD, HN?

Posted at 10:06 - Wiz's switch

Wow this is closer than I thought, I was planning my death post.​

Since it is possible that I might by some strange twist of fate survive tonight.​

I will do what I can to save my ***.​

I retract my vote on RB, and vote to lynch HN.​

​

Dawg's thoughts on HN's vote change/removal...

Interesting...

Good question too. It now looks like HN has put himself in the lead and Wiz sealed the deal.

I'm tempted to change my vote off HN because he may UD, but I'm hesitant just in case...

You think that's his strategy?

just an fyi, the lynch comes before the ud per Jpapps rules, I can pull it for you if you like.

I was thinking the same thing.

The reason would be to not waste a vote on HN if he just plans to UD anyway. I think HN is a better player than to just let himself UD though. I'm expecting a vote to come in at some point.

Something seems odd about this entire exchange, staged, if you will. I think I will look further into JBradt as well as a few others.......

 

[noodles62]

I'll be back later.......

 

[dirtydawg10]

I went back and did some looking at HN's posts and what people said about HN. There wasn't a whole lot that hasn't already been said but here's a few interesting posts...not to mention that HN didn't have many posts in this game.

ok, sorry... had to finish some work from work... and then get dinner rolling. However, I am all skimmed up and have a few thoughts....

so you skimmed the rules, yet you admit the game is a strange one. Which is it, FF?


huh? First things first... knowing HN as a player, I know he wouldn't make such a foolish and obvious move..... but then reading your post.... huh?




good point...


nice find


really?? I am not thinking so...what's with the attitude?

While I also think it "could" be a different game and think it's kinda foolish to simply assume it's after game 63 and leave it at that is foolish, I have to wonder where this wisdom all of a sudden fell in your lap, FF?



My knee jerk reaction is to figure out why FF is being so inconsistant with the visible/invisible mode. Did he get directions from someone to go invisible, did, got busted by JL, and then was instructed to go back to being visible? And then getting busted, directed to keep changing back and forth just to make it seem like an FF thing to do? I don't know... I am uncomfortable with voting FF at this time though because of his chaotic game play though because of past games and usually being wrong. However, I highly suspect him.... if not even more so because it seemed as Wiz was sort of protecting him in regard to the statement to JL about what the big deal was with the invisible/visible issue. Wiz has been highlighted this day, for that, and for distancing... and not only with one person... Because I skimmed, I am not sure if it was with more than JL, but I do think it was with Ogre and HL and now Kash.

No guilty conscience at all Labby. You should know by now that I have no conscience. LOL
Just being sarcastic and putting it out there.



I also am curious about HN, however I would like to see more from him before I form an opinion. As for him "following" someone onto a vote - HN is an experienced player and I doubt he would do something so obvious that would/could be called out....

Both saying similar things about HN not being so obvious as to follow Ogre's vote. Well he did. These two posts just struck me as odd.

No. Again, I voted for Wiz for calling a "slip". I hope others see how hard you're pushing here.



How much of substance have you posted? If I'd had more time to play, you'd be upset because I voted too often.

I'll try to check back before night.

...and here's one from HN sounding a lot like what Mad has been saying about me today. Just thought it warranted a mention.

I still like my vote where it is. LG had some strange posts yesterday discussing how she didn't like the train forming on Wiz but yet kept her vote there. She was called on it mostly by Kash. That and the new evidence about the possible use of code words makes me like my choice even more.

I also feel that Kash and FF drop down on the suspect list due to their interactions with HN and accusation of HN as well as his accusations of them. I'm also leaning Wiz toward the innocent side.

 

[OgreMkV]

So D1 was Unknown Evil game, made sense.

Sorry folks, still don't have great internet here.

Mollies disappointed me, I expected them to do a last minute save, and I'm shocked Red UDed. But at least the town got HN. Didn't see that one.

In reference to my wink emote to HN, yeah HOOT was a joke, although it was at least partially right It did double as a good scumhunt though, seeing who would take something like that at more than face value.

But from what I've seen Wiz is still a good suspect. One for the way he responded to me naming him in the HOOT posts, and two because HN seemed to try and sacrafice himself for Wiz, but then revoted, I'd assume because he did see any way to wiggle them both out of it.

I vote to lynch Wizard.

Zsand is mafia.

I vote to lynch Zsand

He is playing exactly like every other time he's been mafia. He says things, but the things he says are of no substance. For example, the quote above. One line for Hooked and nothing for LadyG when almost the entier discussion of day 2 has been LadyG.

I am perfectly happy with a LadyG/Zsand vote run.

I know that Zsand is mafia. I am perfectly happy with switching to LadyG if need be.

I vote to lynch Zsand... again... until his head pops off and his guts are exposed for being mafia scum.

 

[noodles62]

Dawg, Both posts (mine and DD's) were in response to FF. I know for me, it was more of explaining that HN was an experienced player, since FF had not played with him before.

 

[Rbishop]

Some very good points Dawg...things to think about....

Ogre..maybe now you see how Lady G ended up on my list..?

Need to review some old games....Ogre has caused me to remember some similar thoughts on Z's play...

 

[the wizard]

Well, I pulled all of LG's posts. 5 pages of them leading up to night fall, FF I think I found your mommy.

Yes, I agree we shouldn't spend all our time running in circles around which format we are in right now. It is important to me however, especially since in that set up the mafia started with one and could send in a name to try to get on their team. What scares me a little about that is at this point I don't think the mafia can communicate, if they are starting with three does that mean each of them would get to send in a name, possibly getting 3 more on there team?

Firs of many posts stating that we shouldn't spend all our time trying to figure which game we are in. Even though it is important.

Night fall did show me that it is helpful to know which game as long as like G said in the above post, we don't spend all our time trying to figure the game.

Which, by the way, is what most of the 5 pages of her posts were about when she wasn't talking about movies.

The above post is also the first of many where she said she didn't think the scum could communicate. She later was a bit more confidant that they couldn't almost to a certainty.

How did you know this for sure? Were you waiting for the link to the scum den?

At this point, I see it as day one bantering. Could mean something, but not worth going on and on about as of now. Something to watch and think about though for sure.

her response to FF when he asked about the Wizard/JL/HN ting.

Votes can and do change quite a bit on day one, especially early day one. I wont say you have no reason for "bad vibes", I just don't read to much into these things when they first start out. IMO it is better to watch and see what happens, where it goes that kind of thing.

Another response to FF about HN's hit and run vote.

:nilly:

Wow, you are truely skimming huh....you quoted me so I assume you are talking to me, even though you address DD? Oh, well I've been called WAY worse then that.

Well, might as well get this out of the way now.
I VOTE TO LYNCH JB.

After reading through the post you don't really care about day one, well that one pushed it over for me. It is day one, yes, there are no "facts" to go on, no, but ppl can at least try.

Votes JB because of his remarks about D1.

Yet her vote landed on me because I was trying instead of the general bs that gets bantered about on D1

Well, at this time I retract my vote on JB

After getting caught up, I think Hooked is standing out way more he hasn't played in a while I realize, but his day one list of nothing does nothing. Wiz is close behind him, yes maintaining your tanks are important and a new SW can be tricky I know that, but I can't help but get the "ickies" when reading his posts. FF rings bells to me, not for the whole invisible/uninvisible thing...but for his answering about it.

Then we have the non/barely posters that are buggin the heck outta me. I know it is day one, there is much to go on but if you signed up to play you can at least try. The only reason I see to barely post, is so you don't post anything anyone can question you about....TRS, Mollies, Fire, Noods, RB, I mean come on guys/gals.

Should read "there is NOT much"

refers to his "list" but not his opportunistic vote.

GAH!! Thats right, you loved Kash and didn't kill her...OMG, I was so thinking you ended up being bad.

I retract that thought..sorry:footinmouth:

her response to me when I reminded her I posted the same way last game and was innocent.

FF, Zaff must be talking with RB in a chat room and he confused him with his twisted thoughts...yep, must be

Are you chatting with Daddy O too, Labby?

I thought you were convinced scum couldn't communicate yet?

So, I started out reading thinking I would look for those who discredited or thought it wasn't a good idea to try and figure out which game day we are in. No, it is not the most important part of the game but IMO it is pretty important, as it determines what the evil can and can not do on this day one. I figure the one with no care what so ever about it, already know. Since Pap said he would let them know each game day as to what they can or can't do I assume he would be telling them which game we were playing.

As I was reading through, one name pops up quite a bit and that is Wiz. I am not going to quote each post as it would make this an EXTEAMLY long read. I will put the post number though so you can go back and read for your self if you like.
#146- Says, to many are worried about which game we are in, and admits to skimming the rules. Now at this point not to many have really commented on it, the main focus at that time was coffee and other ungame related stuff. I think trying to figure the game out would be more important.

#151-Razzes Kash about trying to figure out the game day and not scum...he himself has done nothing to "dig for scum".

#158-Discredits Kash again about game day posts, in a post she was answering to him about skimming the rules. IMO if you have skimmed the rules how do you know what is important to this game and what isn't? For someone who is wanting to "find scum" wouldn't reading the rules and knowing what the game is about be helpful?

#159-States it's not important because Pap will let you know from day to day your abilities. Again, I think for someone skimming the rules and not really caring how to play this round....seems like a person who would already know.

#165-Again says it's not important to know which game we are playing, again admits to skimming the rules. Now at this point it has been mentioned several times about his skimming of the rules....wouldn't you think in all this time he would of taken the 2 minutes it would take to read the rules?

Sorry I know which game we are playing isn't the most important part of the day...but it is more important then most things that were being discussed at that point. Some are saying he was playing aggressive, I don't see it..I see him posting the same thing over and over, and trying to drill it in others heads.

I VOTE TO LYNCH WIZARD

What in Wizards posting makes him look aggressive to you Charlie? I don't feel it myself. He came out posting like crazy but from what I saw wasn't really doing any "digging". IMO he was more posting to post and "look" like he was trying not really do much of anything though.

I do however agree you and John have not posted aggressive.

Contradicts herself here about my game playing.

Although, I agree a landslide on day one bothers me...that IS where my vote is Kash. I never said I thought he didn't look scummy. I gave my reasons for my vote (unlike most of the others who IMO did just followed). I still do not like how many are on him. IMO though, he is my best thought for what is out there. His posting DID seem scummy to me, it did not in any way seem helpful. (not that there is alot of "helpful" posts out there). I can see how others are voting for HN. I agree his "list" looked bad. '
What I said I didn't like that Dawg agreed with was the votes on Mollies

You mean all of the posts about movies? Those were helpful.

Again your only thought on HN was his list.

Yes, yes they would

Yep, your posts DID look scummy. I still say they DID look scummy

Her response to my question to RB about if he thought scum would hide in the train on me.

Last game I had you innocent, for the most part...this game I had you as scummy so of course we wouldn't agree.
But yes, ask away.

Another contradiction. You stated earlier that my posting reminded you of last game. I had to remind you twice that last game I was innocent.

It is funny that you can remember past games well enough to state which game we are in but can't remember what you said earlier in this game.

As I stated, I pulled your posts because I don't recall you thinking HN was opportunistic or following Ogre with his vote. I was right. Your only thought on him was his so called list.

Combined with your amazing memory of code words, like RAT I don't think things are looking real good for you right now.

 

[Zaffy]

I'm not home this weekend, but I skimmed and read the last several pages to get up to date.

I see the case against Lady G, her use of the code words is pretty suspect.

Lab_rat's late night move certainly looks to me like a move to "save" HN from lynch.

JB bringing up the fact that HN might UD bothered me. HN had revoked his vote about 30 mins prior to JB making that statement. I think there was still around 40 mins till nightfall as well.

My understanding is that there were no aliens in the unknown evil game by wycco? Were there aliens in the Bio games by RB? The headline certainly seems to clear RB. But if there are no aliens around then could it be misinformation? I'll keep my tinfoil hat handy in case, but I think RB is clean for the moment.

FF has been improving every game since he's started, is this a record for him, not being lynched on day 1. It's possible he's being coached, but it's also possible that he's just getting the hang of it. I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt right now.

Did good guys ever use code words?

 

[Dangerdoll]

I went back and did some looking at HN's posts and what people said about HN. There wasn't a whole lot that hasn't already been said but here's a few interesting posts...not to mention that HN didn't have many posts in this game.

Both saying similar things about HN not being so obvious as to follow Ogre's vote. Well he did. These two posts just struck me as odd.

...and here's one from HN sounding a lot like what Mad has been saying about me today. Just thought it warranted a mention.

I still like my vote where it is. LG had some strange posts yesterday discussing how she didn't like the train forming on Wiz but yet kept her vote there. She was called on it mostly by Kash. That and the new evidence about the possible use of code words makes me like my choice even more.

I also feel that Kash and FF drop down on the suspect list due to their interactions with HN and accusation of HN as well as his accusations of them. I'm also leaning Wiz toward the innocent side.

the quote doesn't pick up what Dawg is quoting, but it's from this same page, just scroll up.... I picked this because I am curious as to why you found the posts interesting, Dawg. You know as well as anyone else that whether HN was Mafia or not, he wouldn't use foolish behavior as he is calculated, sometimes intensely. I know this doesn't say much because he did indeed turn up mafia but from experiences in the past, you know as well as anyone else that Hooked would not need to follow anyone around. He's no noob and shouldn't be thought of as one... that's all... I find it interesting that you believe he would in fact play a child's role when playing the game.