Mafia #70: The Time Vortex

[Zaffy]

Zaffy, that was it? Was all that stuff you posted before something do with code words you thought were being used by communicating innocents? Based on those other discussions about code words?

Dude, you need to clarify something like that out in the open (whether good guys used code words at all) without also mentioning the part where it may risk identifying townie PRs.

If that was it, all you had to do was ask that simple question and leave out the other remarks. Now after hinting around about that part before and focusing on this now, you've got to know how sneaky and supicious you look to the rest of us.

I thought I saw JL and ZS communicating. Now, when I go back and reread what I originally saw, and check it against HN's posts. I dont think that's the case. I saw nothing that looked strange to me in regards to any of those 3 referencing Rich who was the scum hit that night.

I'm not very good at this part, I'd rather take the heat myself than possibly harm the town PRs. Perhaps it's just better to not bring it up.

That was to Zaffy, Dawg. Don't think I'll find his previous posts pulled in time before night to recheck how it was worded exactly though. It it was those comments he made previously where he hinted about knowing something or noticing something but didn't want to tell us. Said it had might expose townie PRs or something like that.

Others have already replied to the other question he asked later about code words and whether the innocents ever used them in Game 56 or not.... think that was Wizard and Noods (not time to double check that either right now so that's going by memory). I answered it too... but I've been suspicious about Zaffy because he's withholding suspicions and making it sound all dramatic or mysterious.... while not doing anything else to help us out in this game. Sounded to me like me was setting us up for a false role-claim or something later on... who knows what.

Now I just saw you reply with the same answer again and I realized that might have been the connection. If Zaffy noticed what he thought were code words from people he thinks are townies, he would wonder if that proves them scummy instead. And he wouldn't want to make a mistake about it to out them if that code word theory was wrong.

Nope, not gonna get a role-claim out of me, false or true.

That's basically it. As it is right now, I don't think what I thought I saw was in fact codes.

I think zaffy is just messin with us. Trying to mess with our heads. As if we need it.

:duh:

That's also possible. Act like it's something then can't divulge what he meant. It's not a pro-town way to play this game.

:duh::duh:

Nope, just poor play.

 

[johnlarson66]

I found this conversation of interest.

FF, it looks like you've got a couple of theories going on here:

1. Ogre and HN piling on Wiz for no good reason.
Question: What are your thoughts on Wiz in this scenario?

2. Ogre and Wiz fake arguing for distancing purposes, and HN following Ogre.
Question: What are your thoughts on HN in this scenario?

1: Wiz innocent who was a convienent choice as few people would argue with it. I cant really argue with it, just pulled up waring signs all over.

2: HN would be an innocent who accidently got pulled in, OR, HN is scum following other scum.

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So now we know that HN was scum, where does that leave these theroies?

 

[Madcrawdad]

hhhmm, still nothing from Zaffy even tho he was viewing the thread a little while ago.....I would really like an answer to my question.

I'm really interested in the answer to your question too. I'd also like to hear Mad's answer.

Zaffy, if you were so confident in LG's innocence then why did you place a worthless vote on Lab instead of placing it on Z. That could have helped save her???

Noods, if you didn't really like either of the candidates strongly for scum, you're saying that you would still vote one to save the other?

 

[Fishfriend1]

Ogre, you arent making yourself look any better.

GOOD NIGHT ACVILLE!

 

[Kashta]

Let me ask you Kash... what will your opinion of me be if Zsand is mafia?

I don't know yet Ogre. I don't have all the answers here either.

I suspect him and you both. The way you came on so strong before when there was a choice to be made between Lady G and Zsand made me wonder if you were scummy and trying to get us to lynch Zs. I waited placing my vote trying to be as sure as I could that she was the better suspect between the two. And I voted Lady G because I'd began suspecting her (and I called her scummy, no less) earlier in the game. I'm trying to keep my view focused on the overall scope of all days and not bounce around from one suspect to another as the days change and new theories get suggested.

That turned out to be a mistake in large part and now we know she was innocent. For all I know, you are right about Zsand being evil and you wanted to protect someone else you were leaning as townie. I agree with the points you have made about Zsand, as well.

However... when nightfall came and went you started posting alternate suspects "if Zsand was innocent" after proclaiming so strongly that you believed him scummy. Before then, there was no possibility in your mind that Zsand may be innocent. That got me wondering if you were scummy and trying to get us to take him down, but also covering yourself in case you got blamed for us killing another innocent.

Tonight, I just posted my vote on Zsand... despite there being something of a train on him. I still agree with you that he's not playing the way he normally does.

Then as soon as my vote hit the thread, I saw you urging us again to vote him. I nearly retracted on the spot because of it. I read on further in your post and see there's more frustration behind it than I'd noticed before.... (the game off/game on stuff I replied with).

And now you're asking me if I'm connecting the two of you together? If Zsand turns out to be mafia, I'll be real happy that we lynched him and I was able to help nail him. But my vote on him now is because of his play in the game... not because you want people to vote him. And whether he's innocent or guilty, it's been his own behavior that has drawn our votes. Whether that later reflects well or badly upon you has nothing to do with it. The outcome of his role being revealed will be a question fired at anyone who voted him... or didn't vote him.

 

[noodles62]

Honestly, I think we are focusing on the details of trying to see which game we are in and not focusing on the bigger issue... ridding the town of mafia. Who cares what game we are in other than #70? What difference is it going to make?

btw... am in the middle of work again but am trying to also look into further past games than the ones already chosen since it seems that the majority of people are more interested in what format we are playing... and for anyone who tries to consider this a confliction because I truely believe this is crazy, I am doing it against my better judgement for the town.

DD, while in the beginning, I also thought it was pointless to try to figure out what game we are currently in, I have figured out that it can be helpful by knowing what special events or powers are at play, if there will be any turns; it also helps to know what to look for, like if someone starts acting odd, we can possibly identify it to a certain role in the game....thus helping to find scum. does that make sense?

 

[Madcrawdad]

/game off
Ogre, listen to this. I just put down my vote and scrolled up to see what I'd missed. And I saw your post.

You're not alone in your frustration with the game. It's really hard trying to decide who to vote for and who to wait with. We all have multiple suspects too.

But please don't hinge the outcome of a single lynch or any player's role as a basis for whether you continue to play or not.

Stay with us instead. We have truly missed you in the game. I'm real happy to see you return after being away so long. Please remember that even if (in the game) I end up voting you, suspecting you, or questioning you.

I'm glad Zsand came back too (even though he may not see that since he's under the gun too in this round.
/game back on

Kash, with Ogre being one of your suspects, what makes you feel that his apparent frustration is genuine?

 

[noodles62]

Noods, if you didn't really like either of the candidates strongly for scum, you're saying that you would still vote one to save the other?

No, I would not. It seemed to me (my interpration) that Zaffy was really leaning LG innocent yet he did not place a vote that could have helped save her. He has explained and I accept it. At the point I asked that question I was in the middle of pulling all of his posts to review and that just stuck out to me. After reviewing everything from him, I have him pretty nuetral.

 

[noodles62]

I'm done for the night. I think I hear Matlock coming on!

 

[johnlarson66]

I thought I saw JL and ZS communicating. Now, when I go back and reread what I originally saw, and check it against HN's posts. I dont think that's the case. I saw nothing that looked strange to me in regards to any of those 3 referencing Rich who was the scum hit that night.

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I am curious of what you originally saw and how checking it against HN's post had any bearing.