Mafia #70: The Time Vortex

[jbradt]

If you don't like my thoughts on LR, then look at Noods. She has exhibited a very similar behavior. I know they can't both be scum because there is only one left.

I do like your thoughts on Labby, Wiz. I thought I made that clear. What do you think about Kash and JL going after her?

 

[the wizard]

I didn't catch this before, but Wiz had the same interpretation of the rules that Kash did...when the rest of the town was going off the rules from the gunslinger game.


Even after Kash was shot and flipped scum Wiz still doesn't think JB's rc was a good idea.


Wow, you really aren't paying attention are you? The next shot, if it hits scum, will likely end the game. So if you really want the game to be over you'll help figure out who the last scum is.

If I had to shoot now, I'd shoot Wiz.

You need to wake up.

Confirmed by the game mod

At the time of the RC there were still 3 scum out there and if scum take out PR's they win regardless how many townies are left.


So, I am suspect for not blindly following and for being right?

 

[jbradt]

Labby, has your alignment changed throughout the course of the game?

 

[the wizard]

I do like your thoughts on Labby, Wiz. I thought I made that clear. What do you think about Kash and JL going after her?

To be honest,I don't recall either of them going after her per say other than simple pokes here and there, I do recall her seeming to over react to a few posts.

 

[noodles62]

(I got interrupted a few times so I hope this makes sense!)

Remaining players:

Zaffy - on the fence on him
Firedancer - no read but left off of Kashta's "list"- coincedence?
Noodles - pure as freshly fallen snow
Madcrawdad -seems pro town
Charlie_stubbs - not very active - no read
Jbradt - CI
Lab_rat - seems pro town
Rich - revived townie
Rbishop - I have leaning innocent
The Wizard - still have a scum feeling
Dirtydawg - seems pro town


Here is Kastha's "list" before she was hit:

I'm not sure who they turned, Dawg. Until last night, I thought Ogre or DD was their turn based on how they were posting differently than before. That's why I questioned Ogre about that, even though I felt bad for him over his (apparent) frustration. I also suspected Zsand and Zaffy for their game play... or rather lack of game play. I really wasn't looking at JB myself until he popped in with this all this.

DD wasn't the turn, obviously, and since JB's actions mirror the exact same strategy Ogre demonstrated before... I think those two are the original mafia. That's also a more consistent possibility looking back at the previous day's events.

Based on their choice of hit last night, I'm not sure who those two would have turned. But I believe now they just found out they'd lost their turn, whoever that was, and that's where this desperation came from in such a hurry.

I was suspecting Zaffy for a while and posted questions to him about that. The responses he gave satisfied me and I'm leaning him innocent, instead. (I was questioning Zsand as well at that same time and saw his replies to others... didn't think he answered them well, but I was obviously wrong about that... as were many folks.) Others I'm leaning innocent are you, Lab Rat, Wizard, and Noods.... and most likely JL and Mad as well. I'm not sure about either Bishop or Rich anymore.

HAs quite a few leaning innocent including JL and Zaffy has passed her inquisition.

Some interesting posts from John:

First off, I am glad that Orge was shot and that he flipped mafia. It looks like he was recently turned to mafia or recently allowed to communicate. The word moments to me means that Orge did not know who his teamates where until just prior to his death. I am guessing he took Kash's place as a communicating mafia.

Secondly, I am highly concerned that the GS didn't take jb advice. If for some reason Orge would have been a CI, it would have been very bad for the town. jb has to be careful with his lists and most likely would have another CI on his suspect lists, just to keep the mafia guessing. jb has the benefit of communicating with two other players. I think it would be best for jb to call the shot and the GS take it.

So since it looks like Orge was recently made mafia and most likely non-communicating, the Orge that looked scummy was actually innocent. I read his reasons when he came back on why he suspected ZS, I am not sure if he was mafia yet or communicating, but I really thought his "ZS tells" were off and I hope the next time he plays he does not make definite statements like that again.

If I had the gun, I would shoot either Wiz or Lab.

planting seeds?

FF was right on about HN and as far as I can tell Charlie seems to be posting even less than he was.

If Lab is mafia, I like Charlie as the last one.

more seeds?


To Labby:

FF also mentioned that Charlie had not been around much. You were able to get FF to switch his vote. Was it that night or the next night you hit him?

Like I said, if I had the gun I would shoot you. If I was still shooting (meaning you were mafia), then I would shoot Charlie.

I still have Wiz as a suspect as I could see Kash turning him, but I could also see her not turning him. I really do not recall any comments from Wiz about Kash after she flipped mafia. I am sure they are out there. It would be good to get Wiz's feelings about Kash flipping mafia.

I think his comments about Wiz are interesting....

Based on this and other posts that I have read from John and Kashta I still feel Wiz is the best bet.

Back to the kitchen I go.....

 

[Lab_Rat]

You need to wake up.

Confirmed by the game mod

At the time of the RC there were still 3 scum out there and if scum take out PR's they win regardless how many townies are left.


So, I am suspect for not blindly following and for being right?

Yes, but only you and Kash had that proper understanding of how this day would go rules wise BEFORE jpap confirmed anything.

Labby, has your alignment changed throughout the course of the game?

Nope, still the same.

Wiz, I can't help but feel you are opportunistically picking at me as your scummates have done throughout this game.

 

[the wizard]

Yes, but only you and Kash had that proper understanding of how this day would go rules wise BEFORE jpap confirmed anything.


Nope, still the same.

Wiz, I can't help but feel you are opportunistically picking at me as your scummates have done throughout this game.

If you would quit behaving and posting scummy, people wouldn't pick at you.

 

[jbradt]

To be honest,I don't recall either of them going after her per say other than simple pokes here and there, I do recall her seeming to over react to a few posts.

Let me refresh your memory on JL:

First off, I am glad that Orge was shot and that he flipped mafia. It looks like he was recently turned to mafia or recently allowed to communicate. The word moments to me means that Orge did not know who his teamates where until just prior to his death. I am guessing he took Kash's place as a communicating mafia.

Secondly, I am highly concerned that the GS didn't take jb advice. If for some reason Orge would have been a CI, it would have been very bad for the town. jb has to be careful with his lists and most likely would have another CI on his suspect lists, just to keep the mafia guessing. jb has the benefit of communicating with two other players. I think it would be best for jb to call the shot and the GS take it.

So since it looks like Orge was recently made mafia and most likely non-communicating, the Orge that looked scummy was actually innocent. I read his reasons when he came back on why he suspected ZS, I am not sure if he was mafia yet or communicating, but I really thought his "ZS tells" were off and I hope the next time he plays he does not make definite statements like that again.

If I had the gun, I would shoot either Wiz or Lab.

I am guessing folks forgot about all of this -







I do not think her switch counted. Besides asking the town on what she should do with her useless vote she says she got there, but knew it was close enough to be a coin toss.

This is just my first example. I have more.

Here is a little bit of Lab defending her just before nightfall posts -





She knew she would get crap, but still posted?



How many people would have been even able to answer her question about a vote switch? Who was Lab wanting an okay from?

She knew her vote on ILM was wasted, why not just vote for who she thought was scummiest?

I am still reading the thread and working. I am trying to find where Lab got all bent out of shape being compared to FF or why she would not or would have been a good turn.

Here is Lab's response to FF -



FF was right on about HN and as far as I can tell Charlie seems to be posting even less than he was.

If Lab is mafia, I like Charlie as the last one.

Now that was some reading, I found some other stuff, but it is hard to put in context. It seems like some of the interaction with Kash was distancing.

Here is the discussion about people getting turned. Lab mentions she would turn RB or Kash.



I comment on ZS claiming he would have turned Lab or FF (which I still do not think he would) -



ZS does explain it, not that I buy it -



Lab gets offended -



Lab also mentions Ogre - there was some real good points made by Mad about Lab's stance on Orge and ZS - it really made no sense that Lab thought Ogre was a suspect, but was following him.

Me egging on Lab and getting to mess with FF at the same time -





If I had the gun, I would shot Lab.

How about all this? Is this JL really going after Lab or making a case for distancing?

I'll go back and pull the posts if I need to, but Kash went after Labby for the "where should I vote" before (I think) Night 1. There was also the post that Labby pulled earlier where Kash seemed to get really defensive at Labby stating Kash or RB would make good turn candidates.

 

[rich311k]

I am starting to get a queezy felling devout LR and noodles. Either wiz is scum or one or both of them are. I need one of my elusive thoughts right now.

 

[rich311k]

I am starting to get a queezy felling devout LR and noodles. Either wiz is scum or one or both of them are. I need one of my elusive thoughts right now.

should be I am getting a queezy feeling about