Mafia 72-Vampires game thread

[the wizard]

Here is another example of why I can't believe you.

These posts were made AFTER your rc which you say you didn't do.

Who on this "team" has all the so called experience? This is my 4th game? maybe 5th. FF has played a few that I wasn't around for but experience? I doubt it, I'm betting Ice has played 3x as many games as all of us combined. Just for the record Ice is a vampire, Wiz has to be a vampire, and I'm getting pretty sure that Noods is a vamp too. I am pretty sure that FF is an innocent, a confused and erratic innocent. I also believe last night that the vampires targeted kashta, it makes no sense to skip sending in a bite / turn for a possible future staking.

So since the target would "obviously not" be on Kashta's back would it have been a smart play for the vampire team to bite her?

And to answer your question, no I am not distracting the townie from finding the vampires. I am hopefully leading them right to you and Ice who I know are vampires. While I am not sure who the third vampire is I am hoping that the priest will offer protection for one night so that I can see if I can go 3 for 3.

Now the way I read it, you at first say that I HAVE to be, then on the same day you say that you KNOW. that seems to me a little off.

In the time travel game,(sorry for bringing it up JB ) Ogre KNEW that ZS was scum, and because of that we lynched an innocent ZS.

You also KNOW that the hit was sent in on Kashta.

It seems to me that you KNOW too much from both sides of the fence to not be a double agent.

Oh wait, this is vampires and not spys, there are no double agents.

Add to that LG's bringing up that your main suspect was set to be lynched when you didn't rc which doesn't make sense. It doesn't strike me as a townie pr thing to do.

It seems to me that you guys are just getting anxious and trying to eliminate who you think might do the most damage to the scum den.

You had Ice and Kashta up against each other last night (both much better players than myself) and didn't care which one went as when they showed innocent the other would take the fall the next night. As we see happened with the votes flocking to Ice.

You had the hit in on Kashta because you figured to get bold and try taking them both out on the same night. However, FF who we know cannot access message boards from home, thought that it would be a good idea to insure that Kashta would go and decided to switch last minute and screwed up your plans.

That would explain his repeated posting about switching before hand. He was waiting for some kind of confirmation on what to do and not getting it, acted on his own.

This is starting to make sense now.

Yours wouldn't be the first FALSE rc we have seen in these games.JL did it to me in one game right after Kashta got killed off and Ice who had the power of protection believed JL. We lost that game.

I have to hand it to you, you did a pretty good job of keeping yourselves hidden. If it weren't for the lucky shot by the slayer D1, we would be faced with one more vamp than we have.

Ice is a sharp player and in every game I have played he has been remarkable at figuring out who the scum are. That fact added to what I have read in you and your teams posts, make me breath easier knowing we have finally found our direction it is nice to finally see a vamp up for staking.

 

[TwoHobbies]

BTW, where has 2Hob been? He was so active, now not much of anything. I almost would like to switch my vote to him...but there is just something not right with the way Dag has "come out".

I had good intentions of being on last night but something came up. It now looks like something is up for tonight also. Won't be here again for nightfall, but have till this afternnon to post my thoughts.

 

[judgemax]

sigh...I really don't know what to think. I thought for sure kash was evil... so now, do i jump on the Ice train..or do I vote 2h, who I still feel is kinda guilty...

 

[TwoHobbies]

Where to start today? I think everyone knows where I stand on the number of vampires. I still see no reason to under estimate the number. The fact that Ice said three only makes me feel he could be trying to protect someone.

Some more facts:
Jpapp was innocent, his vote when he died was on ICE. Kash was innocent, her vote when she died was on ICE. Right after nightfall day two (game days) three votes were placed on FF, Ice, Wizzard, and Rich. When it became clear the town was not going to form the train on FF, a couple fell off. Wizzard, who I believe to be a Vampire, and Rich.

Rich: You were on the wrong side of the Kash vote, which I understand, I could have been there also, but the vote on FF, and the bickering you did with him (which you usually are able to ignore) and now the vote on Dag. I believe Rich was the turn on Day one.

 

[TwoHobbies]

Lady G....you make a good case for a forth. I just can't figure out if you are playing a very good vampire game, or a very poor townee game.

Same for you Noodles, is the personal life not allowing you to focus on the game, or are you playing a good villain game.

 

[rich311k]

Where to start today? I think everyone knows where I stand on the number of vampires. I still see no reason to under estimate the number. The fact that Ice said three only makes me feel he could be trying to protect someone.

Some more facts:
Jpapp was innocent, his vote when he died was on ICE. Kash was innocent, her vote when she died was on ICE. Right after nightfall day two (game days) three votes were placed on FF, Ice, Wizzard, and Rich. When it became clear the town was not going to form the train on FF, a couple fell off. Wizzard, who I believe to be a Vampire, and Rich.

Rich: You were on the wrong side of the Kash vote, which I understand, I could have been there also, but the vote on FF, and the bickering you did with him (which you usually are able to ignore) and now the vote on Dag. I believe Rich was the turn on Day one.

I got off FF because I logically do not see him as a vamp. The bickering was mostly because I was bored at work and he is fun to spar with.

I am reading it right now as Ice is not guilty. I just don't think he would have done all he did if he was a vamp especially when they are winning and the risks are not needed.

 

[Dagamoth]

Right now I just don't know what to think, we REALLY need a vamp tonight! I will not be here so I wont be able to change my vote once I'm gone. I just have such a hard time seeing the whole Ice thing, IF he is evil he really tried to push the limits this game.

Then there's Dag, I just don't get why he would pick now to come out if he is a PR...would of seemed a better idea to wait until he found the priest so he would know he'd be protected. The fact Ice was in the lead (a huge lead at that) at the time he decided to "claim" or make it appear to be claiming so there was no risk at that time. This is the biggest reason I just can't buy it.

Why would I wait until now to come out? There is a simple explanation to that question that I ran through my head much of yesterday. Has the vampire team figured out what role I have when I told the town that Ice and Wiz are vampires? After much deliberation I decided that there was a probable chance they had indeed figured out my role. In order to have a chance to live through the nightfall without getting bit I believe I had to ask for the priest's protection, even if the priest doesn't give me protection, the act of just asking for it will give Ice, Wiz and the other vampire something to think about before they decide who to bite (and yes they will try and bite someone there is still no logical reason for them not to).

So now you might be asking well why did you point out Wiz and Ice as vampires if you thought it might let the vampire team figure out your role? Well that is because I don't want to sit around on knowledge that can help the town while I'm waiting who knows how many days to find the priest so I could privately ask for protection. If I were to die tonight before dropping wiz's name I wouldn't have done a very good job for the town. If I was lying about my role why hasn't someone else come forward to claim it? Simple answer is only the vampires would do that and by doing that they would out themselves.

 

[Dagamoth]

Here is another example of why I can't believe you.
I am inserting the posts so people can see them here:

Who on this "team" has all the so called experience? This is my 4th game? maybe 5th. FF has played a few that I wasn't around for but experience? I doubt it, I'm betting Ice has played 3x as many games as all of us combined. Just for the record Ice is a vampire, Wiz has to be a vampire, and I'm getting pretty sure that Noods is a vamp too. I am pretty sure that FF is an innocent, a confused and erratic innocent. I also believe last night that the vampires targeted kashta, it makes no sense to skip sending in a bite / turn for a possible future staking.

That was post # 937 made at 11 am yesterday, Well before I did any role calling. When you post a lie you should make it plausibly deniable.

So since the target would "obviously not" be on Kashta's back would it have been a smart play for the vampire team to bite her?

And to answer your question, no I am not distracting the townie from finding the vampires. I am hopefully leading them right to you and Ice who I know are vampires. While I am not sure who the third vampire is I am hoping that the priest will offer protection for one night so that I can see if I can go 3 for 3.

This post was indeed made after I alluded to my role in this game. However it was a question that I have asked of you several times and you have still yet to actually answer it. Instead you have diverted and deflected each and every single time. It is quite sad that you are not even willing to give a straight answer after being asked 3 maybe 4 times now?
These posts were made AFTER your rc which you say you didn't do.

Now the way I read it, you at first say that I HAVE to be, then on the same day you say that you KNOW. that seems to me a little off.

The first post that you selected that you claimed was after my RC post (in fact it was 80ish post prior) I had not yet decided whether or not I wanted to come out to try and get priest protection. Therefore I wanted to be semi vague in my wording because no other player has any reason to believe anyone is 100% for sure evil.

In the time travel game,(sorry for bringing it up JB ) Ogre KNEW that ZS was scum, and because of that we lynched an innocent ZS.

If it was a time travel game I guess your lie might not be a straight up lie.
You also KNOW that the hit was sent in on Kashta.

Yeah logical reasoning there if you assume that the vampires would try and turn someone each night.

It seems to me that you KNOW too much from both sides of the fence to not be a double agent.

Oh wait, this is vampires and not spys, there are no double agents.
Or you could call it vampires, seers, priests, slayers, and townies in between.
Add to that LG's bringing up that your main suspect was set to be lynched when you didn't rc which doesn't make sense. It doesn't strike me as a townie pr thing to do.

It seems to me that you guys are just getting anxious and trying to eliminate who you think might do the most damage to the scum den.

You had Ice and Kashta up against each other last night (both much better players than myself) and didn't care which one went as when they showed innocent the other would take the fall the next night. As we see happened with the votes flocking to Ice.
So I had kashta up against Ice? actually the second kashta came out question Ice I backed her up and had my vote on Ice. I in no way set up Kashta. Look at the end of nightfall 1 when someone (i think it might have been G or Noods) asked me who I would vote for if not the UD and I flat out said Ice. Which was of course after the investigation results had been sent out and I found out he was a vampire.
You had the hit in on Kashta because you figured to get bold and try taking them both out on the same night. However, FF who we know cannot access message boards from home, thought that it would be a good idea to insure that Kashta would go and decided to switch last minute and screwed up your plans.

That would explain his repeated posting about switching before hand. He was waiting for some kind of confirmation on what to do and not getting it, acted on his own.

This is starting to make sense now.

Yours wouldn't be the first FALSE rc we have seen in these games.JL did it to me in one game right after Kashta got killed off and Ice who had the power of protection believed JL. We lost that game.

I have to hand it to you, you did a pretty good job of keeping yourselves hidden. If it weren't for the lucky shot by the slayer D1, we would be faced with one more vamp than we have.

Ice is a sharp player and in every game I have played he has been remarkable at figuring out who the scum are. That fact added to what I have read in you and your teams posts, make me breath easier knowing we have finally found our direction it is nice to finally see a vamp up for staking.

Just so you guys can verify that wiz is indeed lying through his teeth here is my "RC" post:

yeah I really do, and I also hope that the priest will give me protection tonight because I know I've just fingered two of the vampires, you and wiz. (I was really trying to think of another word other then fingered but couldn't come up with anything) I am speculating that you and the other vampires are suspecting what role I could have in this game. hence why i'm asking for priestly protection for at least this one night.

 

[jbradt]

Why would I wait until now to come out? There is a simple explanation to that question that I ran through my head much of yesterday. Has the vampire team figured out what role I have when I told the town that Ice and Wiz are vampires? After much deliberation I decided that there was a probable chance they had indeed figured out my role. In order to have a chance to live through the nightfall without getting bit I believe I had to ask for the priest's protection, even if the priest doesn't give me protection, the act of just asking for it will give Ice, Wiz and the other vampire something to think about before they decide who to bite (and yes they will try and bite someone there is still no logical reason for them not to).

So now you might be asking well why did you point out Wiz and Ice as vampires if you thought it might let the vampire team figure out your role? Well that is because I don't want to sit around on knowledge that can help the town while I'm waiting who knows how many days to find the priest so I could privately ask for protection. If I were to die tonight before dropping wiz's name I wouldn't have done a very good job for the town. If I was lying about my role why hasn't someone else come forward to claim it? Simple answer is only the vampires would do that and by doing that they would out themselves.

So, Dag... you've come out. Let's not beat around the bush. I'm looking for a reason to believe you and keep my vote where it is rather than switching to you. But it seems to me like you keep contradicting yourself. First, you say Ice is a vamp, and Wiz "has to be"; now it sounds like you know for sure that Wiz is as well. What I want to know from you is: who did you invest on the first two nights? And, what caused you to invest that person?

 

[Dagamoth]

So, Dag... you've come out. Let's not beat around the bush. I'm looking for a reason to believe you and keep my vote where it is rather than switching to you. But it seems to me like you keep contradicting yourself. First, you say Ice is a vamp, and Wiz "has to be"; now it sounds like you know for sure that Wiz is as well. What I want to know from you is: who did you invest on the first two nights? And, what caused you to invest that person?

Ice night 1 because of the whole "if lab rat were to pick people for roles.... thing". He is a vampire.

Wiz night 2 because he had a wasted vote on FF during a critical vote and had been unusually quiet so far during the game. He is a vampire.