Mafia 72-Vampires game thread

FF i am curious as to who you are leaning towards voting for tonight. You are the lone person who is not on either Ice or myself aside from those who have not voted yet.
 
Well it could prove to be a very interresting nightfall. Hopefully most people will be around to watch for and react to any sudden vote changes. There could be information to be gleaned from who moves where. I'm reserving judgement on you, I'm not fully convinced at all. There could be more than Ice moving around between now and night fall and I include you in that as well .

The only way I would move my vote from where it is right now would be if everyone who is voting for Ice would happen to change their votes to wiz. I don't really see that happening so my vote will stay exactly where it is.
 
The only way I would move my vote from where it is right now would be if everyone who is voting for Ice would happen to change their votes to wiz. I don't really see that happening so my vote will stay exactly where it is.

I think we should go ahead and get rid of ice tonight and then let the slayer take wiz.
 
because it's the town that has the lead, the only "us" they could have a lead on is the vamps

Um, ok, if thats how you want to think. Us isn't always the smaller group u know. at least not in my opinion.

I dont get how im wrong, once they have a 50%+ lead on us they win cause they can afectivly control the vote.

Should i have put "the town" istead? And yes my math was incorrect.

Ice, I have a question for you....are you leaving your vote all by it's lil lonesome self? Is there anyone else standing out to you?

FF, same question to you....

Chill is standing out for reasons stated b4. Then there are you and dag, with ur arguments, and then Ice with his train and the retraction from me to dag. Everyone else is still on my radar just not as much as them.

I got off FF because I logically do not see him as a vamp. The bickering was mostly because I was bored at work and he is fun to spar with.

I am reading it right now as Ice is not guilty. I just don't think he would have done all he did if he was a vamp especially when they are winning and the risks are not needed.

As far as I've been able to gain from my mafia ecpeiriance, Ice always goes for the kill without mercy and holding nothing back, no matter what side he is on.

I've ben pied!
I've been pied real gooood!
crusty, sticky, ugh!
wattamess

:lol: Can we get some pics :D

Sorry I haven't posted but the game was to good to walk away from even if the Refs decided to let them play till the 4th quarter then give the Lakers the win. By then it was late and I had to get up early and even overslept some.

I just want to get this out then I need to shower and eat dinner. I can get caught up and answer any questions then.

I retract my vote on FF and vote to stake Dag.

I know he is lying.

Question Dag.. Why did you investigate me night 1? You agreed with me that voting a UD was a good thing at the time, so I don't really understand why I'd be the one investigated? I'd think you'd investigate someone who people were looking at like 2H for having so much knowledge about the game for a noob or Noods who had pulled a couple of votes.

Again with an "I know". How many people KNOW stuff right now? Other then vamps of course, they KNOW who is evil and who isn't.

Oh my God !!!! Will the good people of ACville please "put down the kool-aid", and smell the coffee.

You know what Ice...If really doesn't matter. Our slayer is going to take out your wing man, (Wizzard) then the good souls are going to take out Rich.

With any luck at all this town will finally win a coin toss and you won't get a new recuit. Lets see you hide then.

I need to leave, but can hardly wait to get home and see how this plays out. Unfortunately it will be after nightfall.[/QUOTE]

How do you KNOW this?

If the town manages to win a coin flip i will eat my shoes. And if you are betting on that to help your arguments then get new arguments.

Stinks for you...
 
To all the people who are voting for me I just had a thought. Why would I claim to be the seer if I were indeed a vampire? If I were a vampire I would have very OBVIOUSLY just outed myself to at least one player (the seer) and possibly more had the seer made contact with the priest or the slayer. Either way it would be a kamikaze attack on my part. Either the slayer would get me tonight or I would be dead tomorrow. In this format where to win all the vampires need to do is become 50% of the town does it make much sense to have your players kamikaze themselves?

If I have not convinced anyone that I am being 100% honest please ask any questions that you wish and I will answer them with a straight answer instead of trying to divert or deflect like Wiz has been doing to me.
 
Ok, here shows where some of my problem is about Dag "coming out" which he didn't actually do, but strongly insinuated....Ice has the highest in votes, and did at the time of the post. Most are looking at him, so why risk coming out now, seems to me IF a PR were to come out is should be for a VERY good reason, not when the person that was suppose to be investigated (or so it would look) and found to be evil looks to be the one going anyway?

Now, I'm not saying there is no way Ice is evil...there could be an even bigger plan behind it if he is. Anyway, by coming out (possibly) asking for the protection of the priest, if the priest does believe him...well that leaves EVERY innocent open for a bite, they have no worries about who they try to bite. Guaranteed a innocent lost either by turn or death with their bite. IF Ice is innocent, they have 2 for sure innocents gone, and possibly a turn. IF Ice comes back as evil, I do not see it as clearing Dag either heres where I say a bigger plan could be in place....now Dag looks to be telling the truth and the priest protects him each night, again leaving EVERY innocent open for their bite. I don't see in the rules that the priest can only protect each person one time.

I vote to stake Dag

I hope like crazy he isn't telling the truth, but I see such a huge reason for him to "fake" it, and no reason for him to come out now if he is telling the truth, also could be trying to get the real seer to come out.

I'm glad that others can come to conclusions like this, I hate my time has been limited, with their numbers pretty low compared to ours the only way then can win is by trying to pull this off.
Kill me get the slayer to hit an innocent and turn or kill another innocent and we're down 3 that quick plus if the GHC believes him they could hit a 4th. If all that happened and the turn happens they will have 4 and we'll have 5. Unless we're wrong and they started with 3 night 1 and not 2 like we think,then they'll win.

Right now I just don't know what to think, we REALLY need a vamp tonight! I will not be here so I wont be able to change my vote once I'm gone. I just have such a hard time seeing the whole Ice thing, IF he is evil he really tried to push the limits this game.

Then there's Dag, I just don't get why he would pick now to come out if he is a PR...would of seemed a better idea to wait until he found the priest so he would know he'd be protected. The fact Ice was in the lead (a huge lead at that) at the time he decided to "claim" or make it appear to be claiming so there was no risk at that time. This is the biggest reason I just can't buy it.


He tries to explain it later but I don't buy it and I'll post why when I get to his post.

Ice, I have a question for you....are you leaving your vote all by it's lil lonesome self? Is there anyone else standing out to you?

FF, same question to you....

Its moved, just got to late last night and I ran late this morning.

Here is another example of why I can't believe you.

These posts were made AFTER your rc which you say you didn't do.






Now the way I read it, you at first say that I HAVE to be, then on the same day you say that you KNOW. that seems to me a little off.

In the time travel game,(sorry for bringing it up JB :rolleyes:) Ogre KNEW that ZS was scum, and because of that we lynched an innocent ZS.

You also KNOW that the hit was sent in on Kashta.

It seems to me that you KNOW too much from both sides of the fence to not be a double agent.

Oh wait, this is vampires and not spys, there are no double agents.

Add to that LG's bringing up that your main suspect was set to be lynched when you didn't rc which doesn't make sense. It doesn't strike me as a townie pr thing to do.

It seems to me that you guys are just getting anxious and trying to eliminate who you think might do the most damage to the scum den.

You had Ice and Kashta up against each other last night (both much better players than myself) and didn't care which one went as when they showed innocent the other would take the fall the next night. As we see happened with the votes flocking to Ice.

You had the hit in on Kashta because you figured to get bold and try taking them both out on the same night. However, FF who we know cannot access message boards from home, thought that it would be a good idea to insure that Kashta would go and decided to switch last minute and screwed up your plans.

That would explain his repeated posting about switching before hand. He was waiting for some kind of confirmation on what to do and not getting it, acted on his own.

This is starting to make sense now.

Yours wouldn't be the first FALSE rc we have seen in these games.JL did it to me in one game right after Kashta got killed off and Ice who had the power of protection believed JL. We lost that game.

I have to hand it to you, you did a pretty good job of keeping yourselves hidden. If it weren't for the lucky shot by the slayer D1, we would be faced with one more vamp than we have.

Ice is a sharp player and in every game I have played he has been remarkable at figuring out who the scum are. That fact added to what I have read in you and your teams posts, make me breath easier knowing we have finally found our direction it is nice to finally see a vamp up for staking.

Thats pretty much along the lines of what I've been thinking too.

Where to start today? I think everyone knows where I stand on the number of vampires. I still see no reason to under estimate the number. The fact that Ice said three only makes me feel he could be trying to protect someone.

Some more facts:
Jpapp was innocent, his vote when he died was on ICE. Kash was innocent, her vote when she died was on ICE. Right after nightfall day two (game days) three votes were placed on FF, Ice, Wizzard, and Rich. When it became clear the town was not going to form the train on FF, a couple fell off. Wizzard, who I believe to be a Vampire, and Rich.

Rich: You were on the wrong side of the Kash vote, which I understand, I could have been there also, but the vote on FF, and the bickering you did with him (which you usually are able to ignore) and now the vote on Dag. I believe Rich was the turn on Day one.

This is the weakest post I've seen from you. So what if 2 known innocents voted me it happens all the time. You even show that in your post about Rich. You think he was innocent Day1 and got caught on the innocent Kash. User was innocent yet 4 players voted him are they all evil too?
With desperate times comes desperate posts huh.


Why would I wait until now to come out? There is a simple explanation to that question that I ran through my head much of yesterday. Has the vampire team figured out what role I have when I told the town that Ice and Wiz are vampires? After much deliberation I decided that there was a probable chance they had indeed figured out my role. In order to have a chance to live through the nightfall without getting bit I believe I had to ask for the priest's protection, even if the priest doesn't give me protection, the act of just asking for it will give Ice, Wiz and the other vampire something to think about before they decide who to bite (and yes they will try and bite someone there is still no logical reason for them not to).

So now you might be asking well why did you point out Wiz and Ice as vampires if you thought it might let the vampire team figure out your role? Well that is because I don't want to sit around on knowledge that can help the town while I'm waiting who knows how many days to find the priest so I could privately ask for protection. If I were to die tonight before dropping wiz's name I wouldn't have done a very good job for the town. If I was lying about my role why hasn't someone else come forward to claim it? Simple answer is only the vampires would do that and by doing that they would out themselves.


Because they are smart and aren't falling for your plan to get them to out themselves? The Priest wouldn't know which to protect and if he chose wrong we could lose our real Seer.

As for why you came out. By claiming you knew I was vamp don't you think that was enough reason for the Priest to protect you?

Since the real plan is to out the real Seer that wouldn't work would it.


As I stated before I did not investigate you for the UD thing. I agree that voting the UD would have been a good thing and it would have saved an innocent. I investigated you because of your comment about LR hand picking people and then you conveniently leaving yourself off the list. I figured you had some kind of power role at that time but I wasn't sure if it was slayer or vampire. Turns out you were vampire. Why didn't I investigate 2H? Simply because having a grasp of the game doesn't mean they are able to play the game well. You have shown in the games you have played that you are a competent player with insight and the ability to twist the truth. I wanted to know if you would be a strong ally or potent enemy. Turns out you were the enemy so when Kashta came up with her theory pointing at you I jumped on it. Any other questions?


Pretty weak reason to be investigating someone. I left lots of people off that list not just myself. I said that Rich and JB play well and under the radar and I would be watching them. It might not have been those exact words but it was what I meant.
It was Day 1 banter, no different then when others say they will be watching low posters or voting the last player to post or 1st to RP.

Whatever, I know you're lying and the town will see that tonight no matter which of us is staked by Bala. I do thank you for keeping my name in the running though, means I won't be the turn.
 
To all the people who are voting for me I just had a thought. Why would I claim to be the seer if I were indeed a vampire? If I were a vampire I would have very OBVIOUSLY just outed myself to at least one player (the seer) and possibly more had the seer made contact with the priest or the slayer. Either way it would be a kamikaze attack on my part. Either the slayer would get me tonight or I would be dead tomorrow. In this format where to win all the vampires need to do is become 50% of the town does it make much sense to have your players kamikaze themselves?

If I have not convinced anyone that I am being 100% honest please ask any questions that you wish and I will answer them with a straight answer instead of trying to divert or deflect like Wiz has been doing to me.


You have no choice but Kamikaze us. You're a good chance to die and 2H will follow. Not sure on a 3rd but it should be easier to narrow down since we'll have players we can trust due to votes. Losing your turn in whatever manner it was hurt you badly.
 
IceH2O;2385221[COLOR=Red said:
]You have no choice but Kamikaze us.[/COLOR] You're a good chance to die and 2H will follow. Not sure on a 3rd but it should be easier to narrow down since we'll have players we can trust due to votes. Losing your turn in whatever manner it was hurt you badly.

If I were a vampire you don't think I had the choice to sit back and let things play out? Instead you believe the vampires would have to kamikaze themselves by trying to get a single person who was already up for a coin toss to be staked? That makes zero sense to me. I could have sat back and just watched Kashta's plan and theory come to life, which was she and you were on opposite sides. She was staked and turned out to be innocent.

Even if I die tonight I will take comfort in knowing that I helped kill two vampires and zero innocents (unless you count the UD). You and Wiz will die tomorrow guaranteed.

As for asking for the priests protection it does not in anyway mean that I will get it. However it will make the vampire team think twice about killing me off if I don't get voted off tonight. It could very well be that the priest does not believe me and protects someone else tonight thus giving him a higher chance of protecting someone if the vampires believe that there is a good chance I will be protected tonight they will most likely go for someone else.
 
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