Ok, I'm a bit delirious after working almost an 11 hour shift on 1 hour of sleep, so bear with me here...
Ok,Labby. I have to call shenanigans here. This is brilliantly posted, but it also shows your canine side.
Wow... there's so much here, I don't even know where to start really. Wait, yes I do: the first red. This has to be the most simplistic view point imaginable. And you know full well, Labby that mafia will align themselves with innocents as a ploy. It happens all the time. You know as well as I do that Pappy being innocent in NO WAY drops Zaffy on any realistic suspect list. You would not be this simplistic. Which means you're full of :bs:. In this sentence, Labby's very subtlely defended Zaffy.
To the blue: After defending Zaffy, Labby goes on to name her two top suspects. Again :bs: There's no way these are your best suspects and reasons. I know your kung fu, and this isn't it. Are you really saying that Rich is your top suspect? I don't buy that for a second. And you're still on about JM? WTF? Why is Rich scummier than JM? Why vote Rich first?
I think I've been scum with you more than anyone else, Labby. That's how I'm seeing you play right now. You're too composed. My guess is you have another outlet for the crazy that your drum up during these games.
I have to stick with my day 1 instinct for now. I vote to lynch Labby. I think there's a connection between her and Zaffy, and I would put Piranha in that group as well.
When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras. My whole reason for lynching Zaffy was that I thought he and jpap were working in tandem. I even stated, iirc, that I would happily vote for jpap. So when jpap showed as a townie, and a PR at that, there is no way I could hold Zaffy as my most scummy suspect. No where did I say he's off my suspect list, just that he's no longer the primary. If you go back and look at their posting, they were "tag-teaming". It was not a case of one following another. Therefore, that drops Zaffy down on my list.
Please, show me where I have defended Zaffy. I don't see it, and he's still on my suspect list.
I would not be so simplistic? JB, you've forgotten how I play when I'm scum. When I am scum, I love to come up with off the wall, yet plausible theories just to confuse the town. So the fact that I'm not throwing crazy ideas out there now makes me scummy? I thought you said you'd played with me a lot before... I'll admit, I haven't invested as much effort into this game (though it's very early in the game still) due to my rl schedule.
So, I went back and did my thing with Labby's posts. It was a lot easier than I thought given the lack of substance found in the majority of it. I didn't pull all her posts 'cause there's a ton of them; but go ahead and take a quick look for yourself if you doubt me. There's not a lot of content posts. Again, I know your kung fu, Labby. If you didn't have another outlet, you would have put more real ideas out there.
1st paragraph: Zaffy has already started to cuddle up to Jpap, and Labby helps reinforce that after Kash brings it up. Knowing Jpap will come back innocent. Last paragraph. Wow, that's a lot of work you put into that, Labby. I've seen you being too helpful before. This is what it looked like.
Here Labby throws a quick shot at me. Don't worry, I'm ok. But for as vocal as I've been, Labby; I'm shocked that this would have been the best question you would have for me.
Labby votes Zaffy. She doesn't list him as a suspect, she votes for him.
Here, Labby suspects Zaffy enough to vote for him, but starts in with implicating Rich, right along side the person she just voted for. Keep in mind this is the same reason they both are citing for voting Rich now.
How is it that now Zaffy has gone from getting your vote, to being your buddy. You list him as "neutral", but you follow him like... dare I say it... a puppy dog right after nightfall. (What do you call a baby werewolf?)
Your a bad dog, Labby. I need to go buy a newspaper so I can roll it up...
WTF are you smoking? My vote didn't follow anyone. In fact, I think I was the first one to make a real vote following nightfall. I listed my reasons for voting for Zaffy, they were legit for the information I had at the time. You may want to lay the crack pipe down now... I'm beginning to wonder just what your agenda is, you are twisting many things to suit your theory.
Why would Pap not being WW make Zaff drop off your list? Did you really think if they were working together they would post the same so much? See this was the reason I couldn't go with the vote/thoughts on Pap, I could see it possible for Zaff, but I found it hard to believe they would post like that if working together. Yes, they may of posted about the same ppl, but it looked WAY to suspicious to post like they did IF they were on a team. So I would like to know what about Pap's lynch made Zaff fall off your list?
So you can get over the vote to Pap from Zaff that apparently was suppose to be a joke, I never did see any other reason from him, but you CAN'T get over the statement that Rich had "cleared" JM? Which I believe Rich answered that question to you, saying something like he just worded it wrong or something like that, Zaff on the other hand has yet to answer his actual reason (besides it was a joke) for voting Pap.
LG, if you look at the timing and what was posted by Zaffy and jpap, you'll see that one wasn't following the other. Instead, they appeared to be working in tandem, continuing on each others' ideas. Looked like teamwork to me. I wasn't ready to jump all over JM for being aggressive at that point either. I do find it extremely odd how aggressive JM was and now he's totally backed off. After the outcome of nightfall, he has gone up on my suspect list.
Where did I ever say Zaffy fell off my list??? I said he dropped on my list, but he's still on the scummy side of neutral.
No, I can't get over that Rich cleared someone. When he came on right before nightfall and said he misspoke, it made me hesitate about changing my vote to him. I was extremely close to doing so and never dropped Rich from my suspect list. I just thought the tag-team seeming play by jpap and Zaffy was scummier. Tell me, why should I believe Rich that he just "worded it wrong"? Do you trust Rich? Why do you trust Rich? Rich is a low poster who can easily hide when scum. Also, JM and Rich voted together. Between Rich "clearing" JM and the two of them voting together, I decided that my vote best went to Rich. JM is next when Rich shows wolf.
Good morning, ACville villagers.
You know what? Last night, I saw what Zaffy had to say following nightfall and decided to come right back at him with the same question he kept dodging before.
I posted that, thinking I would then sit back and wait for his response. And if Zaffy refused to address this... yet again... I was going to vote him today.
Then I saw what Lab Rat tried to pull over on us.
..... pathetic.
You know, Labby, I was really having a hard time trying to decide yesterday between Jpappy, Zaffy, and JM........ so much so that I let strong suspicions just sit there until we might find out in the coming days, which one of those suspects would emerge over the other. That's how it works in these games.... the truth really does reveal itself over time.
In the meanwhile, however, I continued looking for someone else acting scummy enough to warrant my vote. And I hoped for the best.
I apologize, ACville, for not taking an even stronger stand yesterday against this charade. And for that, we've all paid a very dear price. I'm very sorry for that. I just wasn't sure yet which way to go and I didn't want to make a mistake by choosing the wrong direction.
We lost both Jpappy and Wizard because of that.
Last night, however, after something of a revelation in regards to Lab Rat.... I no longer have those same doubts today.
I'm not about to sit back and wait to see what happens anymore. We can't afford to let Lab Rat and Zaffy play this little game of theirs and take out 2 more innocent lives tonight.
I'd like very much to see a run-off tonight between Lab Rat and Zaffy.
To that end, I vote to lynch Zaffy.
What exactly is pathetic Kash? I've posted my thoughts and I've tried to help the town. You want me to come up with some crazy-assed theory like JB does? I'm trying to sort out who is scum. What was I trying to pull over? Trust me, I love nothing more than creating a crazy story, causing confusion, and laughing at the town when I'm evil. Since I want the town to win, I will not be spewing any far out scumspiracies which would only serve to confuse.
I have to say I agree with you on this Kash, a run off between the two...I could also see throwing JM in there for a three way.
I have been looking back and keep coming to the posts from Pap, JM still says he never played a game with joke votes and Pap flat out said he looked back and say games where he did...then he kinda fell off the map (JM).
The way Lab and Zaff both want to jump all over Rich for "clearing" JM, just doesn't sit well with me and makes me keep thinking maybe they know he is WW and if he does end up lynched (JM), they could come back and go after Rich.
Huh??? At this point I don't "know" anyone is WW, hell, I don't know anyone's role but my own. I think lynching a WW is a great thing, not sure why you don't want to lynch one. Why are you so defensive of Rich? Do you not find it scummy that he "cleared" JM?
I think it is interesting that both LR and Zaffy, pointed out my clearing Jm, phrasing yesterday. I explained, they drop it. Lynch comes out badly, they both say we never bought that explanation of clearing, lynch Rich. Just like a well coordinated plan.
Didn't drop it Rich, in my mind it was still scummy. As explained above, I just thought the dynamic duo seemed scummier.
Not a bad attempt there, Zaffy, but I'm afraid it's too little too late. Lab Rat has already defended you. And neither you nor she can undo that mistake.
You had every opportunity to have your say with me numerous times before, but each time you declined. Instead, opting to address the questions I had about you with Lady G instead of openly discussing them with me directly.
From this point on....... spare me the platitudes and other BS now. You can save all that for your scumden.
That said, I agree with one statement from your post quoted above:
"I thought Jpappy was going for JM too hard."
Indeed... so did I. But, as Lab Rat has already tried her best to save your arse while continuing to fool us into suspecting either Rich or JM. Both those players have been cleared (by Lab Rat) in my mind.
Your game is over, Zaffy.
Please, oh please, tell me where I have defended Zaffy. Did you get that from the BS novel that JB posted? If so, you may want to go back and re-read since he twisted things all around for his little theory. I never thought of you as a skimmer Kash, I always thought you were thorough.
I wasn't sure about JM either, Lady G, which is the main reason I wasn't sure which way to read Pappy. But after Lab Rat's attempt late last night to sway us into still killing JM, I'd rather lean him innocent instead.
Pray tell, where did I ever try to sway anyone into killing JM? Please, quote where that occurred. That line just absolutely reeks of BS.
How does that make zaffy drop off your suspect list? They obviously couldn't be communicating so why were they working in tandem? If anything I feel that would indicate more of a set up then a clearing of the name. It seems very foolish of you to say that you're clearing someone at this point in the game. Not very lab rat-esque if i may say so.
That little post definitely bumped you up on my suspect list LR. And it certainly does not lower zaffy on my list.
OMFG, do you people know how to read??? He never dropped off my list. Dropped closer to neutral, still on the scummy side though, for the freaking last time. No duh they couldn't be communicating, I realized that once jpap's role was revealed. I'm inclined now to believe that they both had similar thoughts and posted them around the same time, coincidentally. If you care to actually go back and read, you'll see that neither one was following, it seemed like teamwork. I've not cleared a freaking person in this game, stop trying to put words in my mouth.
You still think jpap and i were working in tandem? jpap couldn't communicate. so it holds that i could not either.
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Obviously the two of you could not have been working in tandem since jpap was hunter. That is why you have been lowered on my suspect list and Rich has taken your place.
