Mafia 73: Werewolf Game!

[jbradt]

Sorry, just getting back to the vacation house.

I really don't see how I'm acting scummy. Please elaborate a little more.

OK...

I made a long post before with some stuff I was seeing, and I don't really want to innundate people, so I'm going to try and make several points with a few posts.

My notes:
JB is acting non-evilish. From what I hear, this is abnormal. He is playing like a normal person, just not like normal JB.
Jm is now keeping quiet. He was quick to accuse and jabber in the beginning, and now he is taken back, almost silent. Is this because everyone thought he was scummy? Or is there a deeper reason...?
UN is not quite defensive, maybe jittery would be a good word. He is following the wiz, is this because he is a newer player or the wiz is alpha and he is puppy? He readily jumped on me for trying to be non-noobish and for being 'defensive'.
Zaffy is slightly quiet. I think it is too early to review that...

So, do I keep my vote on jm or change it? I'm not really sure for now and I may or may not be back for nightfall. I am not changing my vote for now. Just my two cents.

I get that you're joking here dude. In fact, I think I made the comment that it made me smile. And you can trust it'll be in my sig after the game. It's a great line. But like I said before... when I read this post, I heard Labby's voice. This line is not making a joke about me being evil or not evil, this line is making a joke about me not being a normal person. Keep in mind, please; I'm not offended by the joke... I'll be the first one to question my own normalcy; but it didn't come from "banter from day 1 and the sign up" or however you explained it. This is a subtle joke that came from either Labby or Zaffy. I'm willing to bet money that when the scumden link is posted a line eerily similar to this will be there. Probably in reference to am I or am I not a PR. (My guess is Labby said it).

Being a noob, I guess I am not very comfortable posting as much as LG or someone. I kind of want to sit back and watch how the game works. I don't want to be outgoing, because if I were to randomly find reasons to vote an experienced player that no one else has voted for, that would be suspicious. If I were to randomly say "I vote the wiz because he is acting suspicious", that would sound like I was being coached or something. Yes, I sort of followed the jm train, but some of the people's arguments to vote him made sense to me. He did kind of act suspicious. I did skim through the last game and I saw UN's slip which got him kicked off and that worried me as well. I wouldn't like to think I'm under-posting, just kind of getting used to the mechanics of the game. I hope that was a decent response.

To the bolded line. I just saw this. I can't believe it slipped by me before. Look at the post where Pir votes for JM... iirc, it says "he's acting suspicious". So it's not okay to vote for Wiz with that reason, but it's okay for JM? So what you're saying is your voting strategically rather than looking for scum? That sounds like a scum tactic to me. This whole post is nothing but pulling the noob card to defend scummy behavior.

So you won't go after a vet, which explains this...

I like how you went from sounding newbie to trying to sound more professional in a period of only a few posts. That seems.... scumish

If you're going to attempt to accuse me of being scummish, at least try to come up with a half-good reason.
I do agree with you, jm is either seer, hunter, or alpha wolf. I'm thinking alpha wolf, he's just a bit too skittish.

You've been going after UN quite a bit... Dag too come to think of it. What exactly sticks out to you about the two of them?

Interesting theories... I think Jm is acting suspicious. I am going to have limited posting, so for now, *I vote to lynch jm* (sorry, can't do bold from the iPod.)

Hehe... I love suspense. Here's Pir's vote post for JM. Yeah, what exactly did you find so suspicious about JM?

FF, do we have a vote count?

This is something else that's bothered me. IIRC, you called for a vote count at least 3 times during day 1. First and foremost, this is largely a scum tell to me. There are certain players (and **** good ones at that) who keep track of the proper vote count nearly all the time. For most people, it shows more concern for who's getting lynched; not who's scum. Again, a subtle sign of a scummy mindset.

To your point about Dag being on my team. What exactly is your beef here? You keep saying he didn't explain and that I'm controlling his actions. WTF? He stated pretty clearly that time is limited, and Labby makes a perfect choice IMO for him for a "random" vote. First, those who live in glass houses shouldn't question other's RL time constraints. Second, what other evidence do you have?

All of these things are little things, and individually none of them would bother me. But what I see in summary is someone who's using the noob card to mask scummy actions. And after admitting he's not a noob. In case you missed it in the subtlety, Pir I HEREBY OFFICIALLY REVOKE AND DESTROY YOUR NOOB CARD. NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN. I also see someone who has an underlying motive to be strategic and self serving. I'm pretty convinced at this point we can count on Pir being number 3.

Based on my running theory, I'm leaning Rich, JM and Dag innocent.

Hmmm... I was wondering why this was posted outside Pir's hut:

 

[rich311k]

Interesting points made. I am leaning more towards LR than Zaffy. Zaffy is high on the list but Lr has me worried more. She is in armadillo mode, curl up and hope it goes by.

I vote to lynch LR.

 

[Chill]

It helps the town because I'm innocent, but that's not provable.

Fair enough on the wishy washyness. I think I'm prepared to make a vote on at least : Piranha, JM, Rich, Chill, LG. and depending on her response Kashta, I need to look into everyone else more before I'm able to make an argument or not.

That's a pretty broad list there Zaff, almost looks like you're ready to go whichever way the wind blows as long as it might save your a$$. Why is Kash only a maybe on your list? if someone was driving the nails in my coffin and I was innocent she would be at the top of my list.

Kash I wish you would answer my question about possible reasons for Wiz being the kill. You insisted on responses to your werewolf count and gave Zaff a hard time for ignorning your questions.

 

[Lady G]

First of all I vote to lynch Lab.

Kash I have a question for you. Yes, I agree obviously Pap and Zaff were posting pretty much the same thoughts the entire day. I am wondering though, how you see it irrelevant that Zaffs thoughts were posted first in most cases?
IMO, with the whole they were following each other theory...if Zaff was the WW of the two, wouldn't his thoughts have to follow Paps in order for him to be "connecting" himself to Pap?
Your post was way to long for my to quote...but I do not see how it is irrelevant. I have agreed with you pretty much the entire game, and have thought you made some good points. After his post of "timelines" I did look back and what he said is true IMO THAT point holds alot in it.

"#3. During that timeframe and as demonstrated from the actual posts I quoted in my post later.... the posts Zaffy and Pappy made were (coincidentally?) written in a strikingly similar tone. They almost simultaneously addressed the same things, asked the same kind of questions, and came across in their manner of writing as if they shared the same ideas... attitude... frame of mind."
I pulled this from your post, I can't see how you can say all this (and it is part of the reason for you vote right), then say it doesn't matter which posted first. IF they were working together...no it wouldn't, but they obviously were not. So the time frame does make quite a bit of difference. For Zaff to be "attaching" to Pap and trying to look like he was following Paps thoughts and ideas, PAP would of had to been the one to post first, giving Zaffy something to follow wouldn't he?

 

[Chill]

Day two and Chill is still not real certain what to believe here, The town seems to think this is all wrapped up in a pretty little package, but Chill is not fond of pretty litlle packages. With the exception of G of course - that's one pretty package he's always glad to see.

Good Morning G

 

[Chill]

Rocker what was it about those three minutes of silence that made them so intense you felt compelled to break the ice by lynching yourself?

 

[user_name]

OK...

I made a long post before with some stuff I was seeing, and I don't really want to innundate people, so I'm going to try and make several points with a few posts.

I get that you're joking here dude. In fact, I think I made the comment that it made me smile. And you can trust it'll be in my sig after the game. It's a great line. But like I said before... when I read this post, I heard Labby's voice. This line is not making a joke about me being evil or not evil, this line is making a joke about me not being a normal person. Keep in mind, please; I'm not offended by the joke... I'll be the first one to question my own normalcy; but it didn't come from "banter from day 1 and the sign up" or however you explained it. This is a subtle joke that came from either Labby or Zaffy. I'm willing to bet money that when the scumden link is posted a line eerily similar to this will be there. Probably in reference to am I or am I not a PR. (My guess is Labby said it).

To the bolded line. I just saw this. I can't believe it slipped by me before. Look at the post where Pir votes for JM... iirc, it says "he's acting suspicious". So it's not okay to vote for Wiz with that reason, but it's okay for JM? So what you're saying is your voting strategically rather than looking for scum? That sounds like a scum tactic to me. This whole post is nothing but pulling the noob card to defend scummy behavior.

So you won't go after a vet, which explains this...

You've been going after UN quite a bit... Dag too come to think of it. What exactly sticks out to you about the two of them?


This is something else that's bothered me. IIRC, you called for a vote count at least 3 times during day 1. First and foremost, this is largely a scum tell to me. There are certain players (and **** good ones at that) who keep track of the proper vote count nearly all the time. For most people, it shows more concern for who's getting lynched; not who's scum. Again, a subtle sign of a scummy mindset.

To your point about Dag being on my team. What exactly is your beef here? You keep saying he didn't explain and that I'm controlling his actions. WTF? He stated pretty clearly that time is limited, and Labby makes a perfect choice IMO for him for a "random" vote. First, those who live in glass houses shouldn't question other's RL time constraints. Second, what other evidence do you have?

All of these things are little things, and individually none of them would bother me. But what I see in summary is someone who's using the noob card to mask scummy actions. And after admitting he's not a noob. In case you missed it in the subtlety, Pir I HEREBY OFFICIALLY REVOKE AND DESTROY YOUR NOOB CARD. NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN. I also see someone who has an underlying motive to be strategic and self serving. I'm pretty convinced at this point we can count on Pir being number 3.

Based on my running theory, I'm leaning Rich, JM and Dag innocent.

I'm not counting JM out, and my theory has kash, fishy88, and lady g working together, however the men at arms ARE allowed to communicate, so this might clear kash and lady g. JM is still scummy to me.

Do we forward our PM's yet? I think FF isn't going to be on anytime soon. Also, what if Ice is a WW or has a PR?

I don't know what ice could be, why don't ya send him a howl???

I find it disconcerting that you are looking for logic in a vote that is labeled as a vote so I don't UD. I was just trying to make it home to vote after class so I wouldn't UD.

Even if a vote so I don't UD draws suspicion on me that does more for the town then UDing would. Had i voted for someone which would be the determining vote as to someone's fate based on limited facts and opinions I would have done the town a disservice.

It seems that the fishy88 is getting a little nervous when others vote him

And you called me defensive??? :grinyes:

Kashta, I do agree with you, but why would one need to know how many werewolves there are? I'm not saying it's unimportant, I'm just not sure why you would need to know that.

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I'm thinking that there's 4-6 werewolves. I think that would let ff even up the power since last game, I think there was only 3 and they lost. Just my opinion.

Still think it's unimportant? I mean just check your pm box and you'll know....
:banhim:

I VOTE TO LYNCH PIHRANA88
and all his other wolfy friends.....

 

[rich311k]

Rocker what was it about those three minutes of silence that made them so intense you felt compelled to break the ice by lynching yourself?

I would really like an answer to this as well.

 

[Lady G]

This is totally ridiculous. Zaffy, putting up this timeline makes absolutely no sense at this stage of the game.



That's very amusing, Zaffy.

Let's all take a better look at what Zaffy really says here and what he's trying to do.

#1. I posted an open question about the number of wolves possible in the game asking for a little feedback.

#2. Two hours later both Pappy and Zaffy were actively posting in the thread for a span of about 30 minutes.

#3. During that timeframe and as demonstrated from the actual posts I quoted in my post later.... the posts Zaffy and Pappy made were (coincidentally?) written in a strikingly similar tone. They almost simultaneously addressed the same things, asked the same kind of questions, and came across in their manner of writing as if they shared the same ideas... attitude... frame of mind.

#4. As I was also back in the thread again to catch up from earlier, I read through these posts. And I wondered... wow, those two sound so much alike it's hard to tell where one starts and the other leaves off.

#5. I kept reading and also wondered if the two posting were in communication with each other at that time they both were posting. Maybe there was a connection there as they seemed to be on the same page together.

#6. I also wondered why it was so important for both Pappy and Zaffy to confront JM the same way (within 5 min of each other's posts).

#7. I thought it was also curious that they then went on to both question two other players (Chill and Rocker) about Lady G... again at the same time within a few minutes of each other's posts.

After seeing this and noticing as well that neither Pappy nor Zaffy bothered to address other posts in the thread (including mine from 2 hours before) I wondered again why both would spend so much time posting what they did without bothering to get caught up in the thread. There seemed to me to be some element of haste behind this.

The next thing I did after I got done with the posts in the game thread myself was to switch back again to another page where I track the current vote count. There again at the top of that list was Zaffy's vote to lynch Pappy.

I thought that seemed weird. From what I had seen in the thread Zaffy and Pappy agreed with each other so much I had to glance at their avatars to tell their posts apart from each other's.

That's what made me wonder why on earth would Zaffy vote for a player (Pappy) when he so clearly seemed to agree with him. I checked back in the thread at that time and could find no previously overlooked posts that showed them disagreeing with each other or possibly suspecting each other.

So why was Zaffy voting Pappy? I had no clue.

I went back then to Zaffy's original post where he placed his vote (aka his joke-vote) on Pappy to read it again. That's when I remembered, oh right.. that's nothing but a garbage vote. There was no reason given and it wasn't even serious.

It made no sense to me why Zaffy would not have retracted this vote at some later point. It also made no sense why Zaffy wouldn't have further explained the vote if he intended to leave it on Pappy for some new reason that developed after it had been placed, initially, as just a joke.

That's when I pulled those specific posts from them both and asked what was going on.

"You guys may notice as I have that Jpappy actually follows me. Although the time stamps are close enough that it's possible we were forming ours posts at exactly the same time."
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Totally irrelevant to the point I made, Zaffy. You are wasting all of our time with this.

OK, well I had to bring the quote up. I cut it to the part that is bothering me quite a bit.
This whole post is about the two of them posting the same thoughts, which is true they did. Again, as I stated earlier for Zaff to be trying to look like he was following Pap's thoughts, he would of had to know what Pap was going to post about...without being able to communicate, that is pretty much impossible.

#1 - Really has nothing to do with anything
#2-Ok, they came on and posted about the same time....Zaff posting first.
#3-Already addressed this in earlier post, but IF Pap was posting first I could see it against Zaff.
#4-Agree, they were VERY similar...again, Zaff's posts came first.
#5- Yes, they looked like they were communicating, but they obviously were not.
#6-Agree again, they posted same thoughts about JM...again though Zaff came first.
#7-Again, Zaff's questions came first.
This whole post goes toward them posting "together" how can you say it irrelevant the order they posted in? To me it would look more like Pap was following Zaff, not the other way around.

Kash, I'm sorry but you are beginning to look like you are trying to build a case on false stuff here.

 

[Lady G]

Day two and Chill is still not real certain what to believe here, The town seems to think this is all wrapped up in a pretty little package, but Chill is not fond of pretty litlle packages. With the exception of G of course - that's one pretty package he's always glad to see.

Good Morning G

Mornin Chill!! :hearts:

Rocker what was it about those three minutes of silence that made them so intense you felt compelled to break the ice by lynching yourself?

Agree, an answer would be nice...I'm wondering actually if he just is going to UD.

BTW, User....you have refereed to fishy88 a couple times...who is this, and why do you keep referring to that person?