Mafia 78- The Gunslinger Returns...The Play

IceH2O said:
Funny, my wife says the same thing to me at least once a week.
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Wow, your wife calls you Ice?


I've been back through the thread now that my company has left, and my list looks the same as it did earlier. Maybe things will look different in the morning...

g/o Rich, I've also noticed that you've been posting more in the last few games, and I also appreciate it. Even when you don't post much, your posts are worth while and it's obvious that you like the game and care. g/o
 
Wow, that sucks! I don't like a game ruined by UD's! Especially if it disadvantages your own team :( but they were pretty funny deaths :P well done labby. I still vote for JS, there is something about him (especially as a first gamer) that sounds sus. Bot quite coached but maybe nervous? Good luck chill. Hopefully we can continue this game a little more by getting some scum!
 
IceH2O said:
So lets play that game Chill except no dice, with lists instead.

You're top poster at 73 at the moment.

Lets cut that in half and the players in the gun sight are

rich311k 36 Kashta 30 Fishfriend1 27 Dagamoth 20 Piranha86 16 Lab_Rat 12 Haydn24 10 Salt4Sam 1

So everyone name 3 players off this list that should be shot, besides Labby, we can shoot her after the game.

Wow FF only 27 posts? That is usually 1 hr of posting for you.

Rich Kash and FF are all on my list and bottom dwellers, Salt and Pir will probably UD. I'd probably keep Dag off the list unless you have a feeling on him. Haydan why not, he hasn't had any content posts and is just as likely to be scum as any of the others.
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Okay, i'm almost certain chill will not shoot someone because of peoples 'random' picking games. But to answer your question...My top 3 from this group are Rich, FF and Kash.

Rich, not because of so called 'low posting' but more so because of your reactions everytime you get listed on someones scum list. If you were innocent you probably wouldn't care, because unlike lynching, you dont die then you get to have some fun by getting the gun. Just my opinion anyway.

My main suspect however is still JS. I know not many people have been looking at him to closely but I have. His fluctuations of posting heaps then not much...His accusations of people without out reasoning and then backpedaling has me a bit concerned.

Just my $0.02
 
This has been a hectic day and I'm not going to pull all the posts blasting me for misquoting an old game. You know who you are and I expect, so does Chill.

For the very last time...

I looked through old spreadsheets to remind myself if Chill had ever been evil when Wizard was innocent. I did that because there've been to many games for me to go just by memory. They blur together. And I needed to check that point before accusing him of anything. Those spreadsheets don't get updated after I've been killed off because I stop keeping track when I'm no longer playing. It's a tool I use while the game is in progress to focus my thoughts after the thread becomes long and unmanageable... nothing more. It's not a complete recap of each game and I never need to refer back to them later. What it shows are lists... a bunch of names, suspect lists, invests, deaths, vote history, and other stats that I save in numerical order by game number. They don't remind me about game themes, roles, characterizations, etc... because that isn't their purpose.

I'd found one game out of a dozen or so (not updated after the game ended) that still showed Chill in red and Wizard in blue. Okay, so I thought ... it would be incorrect to make a statement saying: Wizard as a townie never had a chance to see Chill's game when evil.

Did I stop to wonder which game theme or title correlated to # 73 right then? No, that wasn't what I was looking for. I didn't care which game it was at the time... just (as I thought) that there was one. Checking back as much as I did was already an interruption to what I was doing and what I was thinking about. I was in the middle of writing the next post I intended to make (suspecting Chill) when I knew I should stop briefly to glance through old game lists first so I wouldn't end up accusing him unfairly.

What I'd like to have explained to me know... by everyone who jumped on my name as Chill's next shot for making that mistake... is this:

WTF difference did it make that I forgot one of the spreadsheets I glanced at was not updated with actual roles after I died?

How did that little mistake suddenly make me scum?

How many other townies in this game have even bothered to re-read the stupid thread a second time?

How many of you go back to pull quotes from players before naming them as the next one to get shot?

How many even checked back to re-read the thoughts Wizard posted in this game before he took his shot?

You're all so quick to blame me for the target Wizard selected that you didn't even notice he made an earlier post yesterday morning calling Chill out for being noncommital and just conversational. He made that post before he left that day. When he came back to check the thread many hours later to find very few useful posts.... the town still wouldn't help him.
 
Chill, you have asked for input. Here's mine. Look at those who followed the crowd telling Wizard to shoot Ice. And look at those who've jumped onto me, conveniently, for making a simple mistake. Those are the people pretending to be vocal and active... In reality, they're not helping us at all.

Lady G said:
Well, the game reference was you yes.
Although, I have to say I did wonder about Chill quite a bit as I stated before after your post about him.
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This came from last night's posts after nightfall. Lady G and I discussed the goof I made about an old game. She didn't seem overly concerned about this at that time. And she went on posting other comments about other people.

Lady G said:
You would shoot Kash, but you think Rich is ALL OVER scummy? Her mistake was pretty big (especially for Kash with her spreadsheets), but if you think someone is all over scummy...shouldn't you shoot them?
You also state, you do not have 2 other names, yet Rich is who you would shoot if she came up mafia or innocent...sounds like another name to me?


I haven't been active? Well, I think I pretty much have been...with last night a exception I have pretty much been here the whole time.
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She discussed this again (with Taysius) this morning acting like she was questioning Taysius picking me as your next shot.... but nicely managed to escalate the importance of my error.

Yes, G... you have been here the whole time. Good for you.

Lady G said:
Ok as for who I would shoot and why....


Rich, most likely would be my first choice at this point. His statements about me just do not seem right. If he came up mafia and I still had the gun I would most likely shoot JS, he can't seem to commit to anything he says. If Rich was innocent I would most likely want the new slinger to go for Kash..Her "mistake" was a pretty big one, especially considering the fact she is one that goes over everything with a fine tooth comb before she posts anything.
As for my biggest suscpects...
Rich
JS
Kash
Pap...I am putting him here, because of the fact he left off he could be innocent in his response to Tay.

Now, I need to go for a while I'll be back later today
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Nice touch there, Lady G... how very opportunistic of you. lmao.

My other suspects are: #2 Taysius. And #3 something of a toss up between Dag, FF, and Jspigs.
 
Lady G said:
Why would you have to "trust" he is innocent? Mafia can get the invest also...so I'm not sure how you could come to the conclusion that it means he is innocent just b/c no one else has come out and said they got it?
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Because I know I'm innocent and if he really wanted to cement his innocence he could have given up a mafia player and had him shot.
 
FF
Ice
Jpap
Haydn
Chill
Tay
Rich
JB
Kash
Dag
LG
Jspigs

Well Chill if you believe Jpap as innocent and I am that puts it down to 9 players which 5 are scum. You have a better then 50% chance at hitting one.
 
Kashta said:
This has been a hectic day and I'm not going to pull all the posts blasting me for misquoting an old game. You know who you are and I expect, so does Chill.

For the very last time...

I looked through old spreadsheets to remind myself if Chill had ever been evil when Wizard was innocent. I did that because there've been to many games for me to go just by memory. They blur together. And I needed to check that point before accusing him of anything. Those spreadsheets don't get updated after I've been killed off because I stop keeping track when I'm no longer playing. It's a tool I use while the game is in progress to focus my thoughts after the thread becomes long and unmanageable... nothing more. It's not a complete recap of each game and I never need to refer back to them later. What it shows are lists... a bunch of names, suspect lists, invests, deaths, vote history, and other stats that I save in numerical order by game number. They don't remind me about game themes, roles, characterizations, etc... because that isn't their purpose.

I'd found one game out of a dozen or so (not updated after the game ended) that still showed Chill in red and Wizard in blue. Okay, so I thought ... it would be incorrect to make a statement saying: Wizard as a townie never had a chance to see Chill's game when evil.

Did I stop to wonder which game theme or title correlated to # 73 right then? No, that wasn't what I was looking for. I didn't care which game it was at the time... just (as I thought) that there was one. Checking back as much as I did was already an interruption to what I was doing and what I was thinking about. I was in the middle of writing the next post I intended to make (suspecting Chill) when I knew I should stop briefly to glance through old game lists first so I wouldn't end up accusing him unfairly.

What I'd like to have explained to me know... by everyone who jumped on my name as Chill's next shot for making that mistake... is this:

WTF difference did it make that I forgot one of the spreadsheets I glanced at was not updated with actual roles after I died?

How did that little mistake suddenly make me scum?

How many other townies in this game have even bothered to re-read the stupid thread a second time?

How many of you go back to pull quotes from players before naming them as the next one to get shot?

How many even checked back to re-read the thoughts Wizard posted in this game before he took his shot?

You're all so quick to blame me for the target Wizard selected that you didn't even notice he made an earlier post yesterday morning calling Chill out for being noncommital and just conversational. He made that post before he left that day. When he came back to check the thread many hours later to find very few useful posts.... the town still wouldn't help him.
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You know what Kash if it was an honest mistake when the dust clears and that's evident then I won't blame you. Mistakes happen, we're all human, but it's hard to give someone the benefit of the doubt in the game because what may be an honest mistake may just as likely be an attempt to mislead.

The problem I have with your explanation is it doesn't match my recollection of the game. Granted I don't keep spreadsheets but for the most part I keep track all right. By my recollection of that game you were a woMan at Arms and kept playing after death (even ghost posting). So I'm pretty sure you did keep track after you were kiled off.

Having said that town. I'm still not 100% certain on Kash and none of the rest of you should sit back and let this play out either. This is our last kick at the cat so go back through and look for anything that might help.
 
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