That does not help the town. Might as well dig in and see what you can unearth.
Mafia 80: Ghost Hunters
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That does not help the town. Might as well dig in and see what you can unearth.
You are innocent so rather than try to help the town you are going to be quiet and let the town lynch you?
Seems a defeatist attitude if you ask me. Everyone that voted FF were wrong, with the exception of any scum that voted there.
Where would we be if every one that voted FF just gave up?
It irks me to no end saying this and definitely goes against my grain. However... I feel the format of this game, with all it's turns and other variables, demands it. I've made the decision to tell you who I am and what I feel is safe to divulge.
I am the doctor.
It was me who killed Lab Rat with the 1st dose from my vial and it was me who protected the evil's intended victim last night. I no longer need to keep my role hidden. I have plenty of reasons to inform the town who I am.
I was pretty certain they would narrow this down correctly before night came after what happened the first nightfall.... Lab Rat died and was revealed a troubled soul. I could not discuss this openly until I found out for sure that the scum already knows it was me (which I've done). Otherwise, I would be placing myself and the town at risk.
This is important and it's the reason I'm telling you this -- The evils know who I am.
Fact 1: I had this confirmed Night 2 when their attempt to turn/kill me failed.
Fact 2: They got the confirmation they needed when I survived that attempt (unaltered). They no longer wonder who I am.
Fact 3: The only people who don't know my role are innocent townies and (unaltered) ghost hunters.
Fact 4: I'm the only innocent who knows who they went after. (They know this is true as well.)
Fact 5: None of us can prevent them from repeating that attempt tonight. After tonight, the power I possess will be gone.
This is my last day as an innocent. I'll either be killed or my soul will be troubled tomorrow (50-50 chance which way that will go). I can no longer protect myself, as that was a one-time option for me according to the rules. I'm unprotected now and the evils already know that too. They have no other choice but to come after me again.
It's too late for them to stop me from using the 2nd dose tonight before their next hit. They must still take me out to prevent me from protecting other innocent lives.......... in order for them to kill/turn our ghost hunters.
I can protect any other person only twice. I will not tell you who I protected the first nightfall. The evils don't yet know who that was and I'm not going to inform them.
I offer no proof. I have nothing to give you.... no corroborating evidence/invest results or anything of the sort, as it's not within my power to investigate. I must rely on each townie/ghost hunter to decide for themself whether to believe me or not on their own. Use your best judgment. I have no other choice now but to trust you with that part of this.
You may ask why I decided to share this with you now.
1. The way I see it, the evils already know who I am -- without any doubt. There's no longer any possibility that I can fool them (much as I tried to blend in with the rest of the town by keeping certain thoughts to myself). No matter what I say in the thread anymore... they already know what they know and they've had that confirmed. Sad to say, but there's nothing I can do about that.
2. So........ I might as well let the rest of you know, as well. Aside from a little added confusion at first, I see no harm to any of us from me doing this. This way, I no longer risk misleading anyone by making you question or second-guess whatever I choose to remain quiet about.
3. I am and will remain non-communicating for as long as I stay unturned. This thread is the only means I have to communicate with anyone else who is innocent. I intend to use it now (openly) to help the town any way that I can and to benefit from this communication myself as I question suspects, place my next vote, offer my protection while I still can, and administer that last dose from my vial. I don't know who the murderer is, although I have suspects in mind. I don't know who else was turned against us after Lab Rat. I don't know who the ghost hunter/s are or who they decided to turn last night. But I do have some power left and I need help from the town to figure out what to do with it next. Until now I've made those choices by myself.
4. Other factors I considered: Sharing this may prevent someone from wasting an investigation on me that'd be better submitted on someone else, who would then be able to communicate with them at the ghost hunter board. Admitting my role today will at least enable you to remove me from your list of possible investigations.
The ghost hunters have a séance coming up on Night #4 when they will receive a hint from the mod. But this will not occur unless they've already found each other. (I don't know how many of you have found each other this far. And I'll admit I fear some of you may still be non-communicating.)
There will also be a second opportunity for the ghost hunters to make another switch that same night. That's more likely to prove successful (turn evil to innocent instead of turning innocent to scum) IF our ghost hunters are able to find each other first.
5. What's left of this 48-hour day should give us (all) plenty of time to address questions or lingering doubts any of you have about me.... and still leave us time to become better informed (and better connected) as we root out suspects and decide together who we should lynch, who I should protect, and who should be given Dose #2. I would benefit greatly from the input you can give me.
6. With one more upcoming nightfall result, I will have outlived my usefulness to the town. I'm gone next, for the town's benefit anyway. They've already got me either way, right after the town lynch takes place when they target me a second time.
7. I'm not worried that telling you what I've said will in any way jeopardize the identity of any townie PR other than me. And, as I've said before, doing this does not reveal anything to you that the evils don't already know.
I don't expect everyone to believe me. That's up to each of you individually to make your own determination.
I do expect there'll be some who'll argue about this, refuse to accept it, or try to influence others into doubting my claim. The evils won't have much choice now but to try whatever they can think of to discredit me if they can. Those efforts, however, will draw our attention to them. (And quite possibly gain one of them an unpleasant injection in the back of the neck!)
There's also a possibility that some will try to convince the town to lynch me. Okay, so do that. Short of getting the town to lynch me immediately, they have no other way to prevent me from using the powers I still possess for one more night. This would take considerable effort on their part, as I'm not already in danger of being lynched next. And trying too hard to raise the votes it would take to accomplish that would alert all our ghost hunters who they are as soon as my death takes place.
I am confident that our ghost hunters and innocent townies, combined together, outnumber the evils by such a large margin that any majority vote in my regard will fall in favor of the town; not the scum. I bet my life (and soul) on that and the use of my remaining powers on our behalf.
Finally...
Am I lying? No.
Am I desperate? No.
Am I telling you this to save myself? No. I'm not worried that I'll get lynched for voting an innocent.
This is very important --> Ghost hunters should reveal nothing about their role.
In terms of number and "win condition," you are the ones the evils must now kill or recruit to their side in order for them to win the game. Therefore, all townies and ghost hunters need to blend together as well as possible. We can still coordinate our suspects, suggest who to dose/protect, and so on without revealing anyone else's role besides my own. They know mine already so it's no longer necessary for me be concerned about that. This enables me to speak freely and it enables you to judge me and what I say on your own terms.
Remember this...
If I'm not dead tomorrow.... Don't believe anything I say. My loyalty to the town remains intact only until night falls tonight. After that I will lie to you to the best of my ability, as I'd be forced then to switch sides and start working against you.
I am the doctor.
It was me who killed Lab Rat with the 1st dose from my vial and it was me who protected the evil's intended victim last night. I no longer need to keep my role hidden. I have plenty of reasons to inform the town who I am.
I was pretty certain they would narrow this down correctly before night came after what happened the first nightfall.... Lab Rat died and was revealed a troubled soul. I could not discuss this openly until I found out for sure that the scum already knows it was me (which I've done). Otherwise, I would be placing myself and the town at risk.
This is important and it's the reason I'm telling you this -- The evils know who I am.
Fact 1: I had this confirmed Night 2 when their attempt to turn/kill me failed.
Fact 2: They got the confirmation they needed when I survived that attempt (unaltered). They no longer wonder who I am.
Fact 3: The only people who don't know my role are innocent townies and (unaltered) ghost hunters.
Fact 4: I'm the only innocent who knows who they went after. (They know this is true as well.)
Fact 5: None of us can prevent them from repeating that attempt tonight. After tonight, the power I possess will be gone.
This is my last day as an innocent. I'll either be killed or my soul will be troubled tomorrow (50-50 chance which way that will go). I can no longer protect myself, as that was a one-time option for me according to the rules. I'm unprotected now and the evils already know that too. They have no other choice but to come after me again.
It's too late for them to stop me from using the 2nd dose tonight before their next hit. They must still take me out to prevent me from protecting other innocent lives.......... in order for them to kill/turn our ghost hunters.
I can protect any other person only twice. I will not tell you who I protected the first nightfall. The evils don't yet know who that was and I'm not going to inform them.
I offer no proof. I have nothing to give you.... no corroborating evidence/invest results or anything of the sort, as it's not within my power to investigate. I must rely on each townie/ghost hunter to decide for themself whether to believe me or not on their own. Use your best judgment. I have no other choice now but to trust you with that part of this.
You may ask why I decided to share this with you now.
1. The way I see it, the evils already know who I am -- without any doubt. There's no longer any possibility that I can fool them (much as I tried to blend in with the rest of the town by keeping certain thoughts to myself). No matter what I say in the thread anymore... they already know what they know and they've had that confirmed. Sad to say, but there's nothing I can do about that.
2. So........ I might as well let the rest of you know, as well. Aside from a little added confusion at first, I see no harm to any of us from me doing this. This way, I no longer risk misleading anyone by making you question or second-guess whatever I choose to remain quiet about.
3. I am and will remain non-communicating for as long as I stay unturned. This thread is the only means I have to communicate with anyone else who is innocent. I intend to use it now (openly) to help the town any way that I can and to benefit from this communication myself as I question suspects, place my next vote, offer my protection while I still can, and administer that last dose from my vial. I don't know who the murderer is, although I have suspects in mind. I don't know who else was turned against us after Lab Rat. I don't know who the ghost hunter/s are or who they decided to turn last night. But I do have some power left and I need help from the town to figure out what to do with it next. Until now I've made those choices by myself.
4. Other factors I considered: Sharing this may prevent someone from wasting an investigation on me that'd be better submitted on someone else, who would then be able to communicate with them at the ghost hunter board. Admitting my role today will at least enable you to remove me from your list of possible investigations.
The ghost hunters have a séance coming up on Night #4 when they will receive a hint from the mod. But this will not occur unless they've already found each other. (I don't know how many of you have found each other this far. And I'll admit I fear some of you may still be non-communicating.)
There will also be a second opportunity for the ghost hunters to make another switch that same night. That's more likely to prove successful (turn evil to innocent instead of turning innocent to scum) IF our ghost hunters are able to find each other first.
5. What's left of this 48-hour day should give us (all) plenty of time to address questions or lingering doubts any of you have about me.... and still leave us time to become better informed (and better connected) as we root out suspects and decide together who we should lynch, who I should protect, and who should be given Dose #2. I would benefit greatly from the input you can give me.
6. With one more upcoming nightfall result, I will have outlived my usefulness to the town. I'm gone next, for the town's benefit anyway. They've already got me either way, right after the town lynch takes place when they target me a second time.
7. I'm not worried that telling you what I've said will in any way jeopardize the identity of any townie PR other than me. And, as I've said before, doing this does not reveal anything to you that the evils don't already know.
I don't expect everyone to believe me. That's up to each of you individually to make your own determination.
I do expect there'll be some who'll argue about this, refuse to accept it, or try to influence others into doubting my claim. The evils won't have much choice now but to try whatever they can think of to discredit me if they can. Those efforts, however, will draw our attention to them. (And quite possibly gain one of them an unpleasant injection in the back of the neck!)
There's also a possibility that some will try to convince the town to lynch me. Okay, so do that. Short of getting the town to lynch me immediately, they have no other way to prevent me from using the powers I still possess for one more night. This would take considerable effort on their part, as I'm not already in danger of being lynched next. And trying too hard to raise the votes it would take to accomplish that would alert all our ghost hunters who they are as soon as my death takes place.
I am confident that our ghost hunters and innocent townies, combined together, outnumber the evils by such a large margin that any majority vote in my regard will fall in favor of the town; not the scum. I bet my life (and soul) on that and the use of my remaining powers on our behalf.
Finally...
Am I lying? No.
Am I desperate? No.
Am I telling you this to save myself? No. I'm not worried that I'll get lynched for voting an innocent.
This is very important --> Ghost hunters should reveal nothing about their role.
In terms of number and "win condition," you are the ones the evils must now kill or recruit to their side in order for them to win the game. Therefore, all townies and ghost hunters need to blend together as well as possible. We can still coordinate our suspects, suggest who to dose/protect, and so on without revealing anyone else's role besides my own. They know mine already so it's no longer necessary for me be concerned about that. This enables me to speak freely and it enables you to judge me and what I say on your own terms.
Remember this...
If I'm not dead tomorrow.... Don't believe anything I say. My loyalty to the town remains intact only until night falls tonight. After that I will lie to you to the best of my ability, as I'd be forced then to switch sides and start working against you.
I just want to go through the progression here...
UN states that JB isn't a PR presumably because he is a GH and investigated JB.
Bally puts JB as her top suspect on her list.
JB questions it.
Your explanation, in summary, is that JB is scummy because of the weather thing (understandable) and because of his attitude.
This is regarding his "connection" with Lab...then the vote.
JB corrects you about the timing.
You admit your posts got mixed up and made a mistake.
I ask why your vote is still on JB.
Your vote stays because of UN. Up to this point I don't think you ever even mentioned that being part of your reason.
JB questions it.
Your answer.
JB again...
Now something about PR's...this is where the confusion begins...
JB questions it...
but you are NOT role claiming
something about UN again
more hush hush
I ask you to further clarify why you voted
The first part says something about UN's post. It makes no sense, to me, since UN did think that JB was scum but really he had no basis.
That's pretty much what I say in my response too and ask about the other person thing
Your answer is that you had an idea about other PR's and that was why you voted for JB.
I find it weird that 1) you had to be prodded multiple times to actually come out and say it this clearly and 2) your original vote was based on other things and you didn't hop onto the UN thing until your reasoning was being questioned.
UN states that JB isn't a PR presumably because he is a GH and investigated JB.
Bally puts JB as her top suspect on her list.
JB questions it.
The whole weather thing doesn't sit right with me. I'm not going to drag up posts and rehash it all. You have a very cocky attitude this game and it seems off from your normal sarcasm. When I played evil with you I remember that you used your sarcasm to make people feel stupid for questioning you. You told me to blow everything off as a joke when people started questioning me in that game. Based off all of this and a gut feeling....i did eat shrimp for lunch so it could be that..... ya just seem scummy to me. Ya dig?
Your explanation, in summary, is that JB is scummy because of the weather thing (understandable) and because of his attitude.
This is regarding his "connection" with Lab...then the vote.
JB corrects you about the timing.
You admit your posts got mixed up and made a mistake.
I ask why your vote is still on JB.
Your vote stays because of UN. Up to this point I don't think you ever even mentioned that being part of your reason.
JB questions it.
Your answer.
I might point out also that Bally gas yet to articulate a decent reason for suspecting me...
JB again...
Now something about PR's...this is where the confusion begins...
JB questions it...
but you are NOT role claiming
something about UN again
more hush hush
I ask you to further clarify why you voted
The first part says something about UN's post. It makes no sense, to me, since UN did think that JB was scum but really he had no basis.
That's pretty much what I say in my response too and ask about the other person thing
Your answer is that you had an idea about other PR's and that was why you voted for JB.
I find it weird that 1) you had to be prodded multiple times to actually come out and say it this clearly and 2) your original vote was based on other things and you didn't hop onto the UN thing until your reasoning was being questioned.
No I didn't bring up the UN thing in the beginning because I know I'm not supposed to discus who I believe to be a PR because it gives the scum a list, and this game isn't over until the Ghost Hunters are killed. So I was trying to leave UN and the other one I think is the other GH out of it.
UN was a dead man walking as soon as he opened his mouth. Everyone saw it so it makes little sense for you to be concerned with bringing it up until later. Several people commented on how his move wasn't smart...it's not like the scum was just going to ignore it.
So Kash apparently protected herself last night...it's hard to match that up with what LG said at nightfall...unless Kash herself is the orb and the arms are from Bala?
Not exactly a solid reason to doubt Kash, but I do have to doubt her claim nonetheless. Hard to definitively believe she is telling the truth. But also hard to come up with why she would lie at this point in the game since she is practically telling us that she will be evil later...
I remembered seeing this question from Chill earlier.
As I've made my post revealing my role, Chill, I can now answer you truthfully.
That list I posted was trash. I was worried the scum team might realize I was the doctor based on my dosing Lab Rat from the moment we learned of her death/role. I expected I would be their next hit attempted.
Therefore, I devised this list as an attempt to fool them.
As I've made my post revealing my role, Chill, I can now answer you truthfully.
That list I posted was trash. I was worried the scum team might realize I was the doctor based on my dosing Lab Rat from the moment we learned of her death/role. I expected I would be their next hit attempted.
Therefore, I devised this list as an attempt to fool them.
I believe Kash 100% all that he is saying makes sense and there is no reason not to believe him at this point. She is telling the complete truth in my opinon and observations it makes compete and utter sense.
Being new I understand that it is hard for you to disbelieve a RC...but there are two sides to every situation and being fooled in the past makes you realize this...I am definitely leaning towards the side of believing Kash since she is telling us that at some point she will be evil, but I do have to look for any alternatives if something behind the scenes is going on.
