Measuring Medication...mg/g/ml/tsp SO CONFUSED!

What kinda parasites do your fish have.Metro is a pretty heavy duty medication.Here are some comments on it from another site: " First off, know that Flagyl is only useful in the amounts that "get inside" your livestock... Though marine fishes drink "proverbially like fish", freshwater do not... and in any case, the only efficacious means of administering Metronidazole is through food. There is a further problem/issue of water solubility. In the process of mixing Metronidazole one must blend it well with water ahead of time... as this material is not very water soluble. Soaking frozen or live foods in 1% solutions for a few hours in a refrigerator is a very good idea." Also:" Principally for internal (lumen) protozoans and the flagellate commonly associated with HLLE (Hexamita, Octomita), though is promoted for use against other protozoans (Cryptocaryon, Ichthyophthirius). These last are better treated in other ways. Some groups of marine and freshwater fishes might/should be treated prophylactically... coming either directly from wild-environs or culture facilities known to harbor standing parasite fauna. Signs of neuromast destruction (HLLE) are open-pitting of the head and lateral line pores of fishes... Internal flagellate complaints manifest themselves in lethargic behavior, sitting on the bottom, bloating, slow, labored breathing, a lack of feeding..." So,I would be sure what parasite you have.Can you describe or take pics?
 
The Metro + is loose, in a bottle, and not in tablets. That would have made things easier. Although I prefer the loose to tablets, so I can try and dissolve it in alittle tank water first. Whoever said about it not dissolving well is correct, I did the best I could. I know a lot sank. Which may be a good thing, cause I think I overdosed...

Ok, so I ended up doing some crazy math last night that led me to put 12 tsp. of Metro + in the tank. The bottle said it treated 100 gallons, and the 12 tsp. used up about 3/4th's of the bottle so I thought it seemed right. I used Sigrid's conversion of 7grams of salt ='s 1 tsp, because the medication looked and felt like salt, and I had to peg it to something since I don't have a tiny metric scale. I still screwed up the math from there, don't know what I was thinking...

Since I used up 3/4ths of the bottle, I had to go find more today. The original bottle I bought online. Today I found some made by API, called General Cure Anti-Parasitic Fish Medication, and it came in pre measured packets :clap: It contains 250mg Metronidazole and 75mg Praziquantel per packet. I just dumped one of the packets into a 1/2 teaspoon, and it just about filled it up. So, basically I found my answer. If 250mg Metro is roughly 1/2 tsp (or alittle less bc of the Prazi), I should have dosed about 3.5 tsp or less. Not 12 tsp. :eek: The orignial bottle of Metro + probably meant that it treated 100 gallons over the course of treatment, not for a single does. I hope this post helps someone is the future dose correctly.

Thankfully, my fish all seem fine despite the overdose. Well, except the one dying of parasites, but he doesn't look any better or worse than before all of this. The treatment requires daily water changes, so shouldn't stay in there too long.

Also, I am aware of the fact that Metro needs to be ingested. I purchased Metro laced food, which most are eating, and added some salt (had alittle in there already from an ich treatment I had to do a few weeks ago) to my tank so they fish will ingest the Metro from the water that way too. I had to do the bath along with the food, because one fish is to the point where he is not eating. I also soaked Bloodworms with Metro late last night. I am doing everything I can.

The reason I think I have parasites is because my golden Severum just developed hole-in-the-head. Luckily its in the very early stages, one nostril just "opened up." I've also, on 2-3 occasions, seen a clear mucus coming from her gills (noticeable bc bubbles stick to it). I've also had several mysterious fish deaths over the past 2-3 weeks (not counting the ich outbreak, which I dont think any of them actually died from. I think a cory died from the salt bath. He had no white spots). The few fish that died, quite some time after the ich cleared up, became dull/dark and tattered looking, and their bellies sunk in, and one developed a sorta "kink" in the spine, not large, but slight. They also were swimming erratic. One has these short white spikes protruding from his scales. Some fish died with no signs- a cory and a black phantom. It's really weird, I'm not entirely sure what happened to them, but once I put the metro in, one fish really perked up. Another is on its way out, I think it was too late to save him, I feel awful its to the point where hes laying on the ground, but I dont have the courage to euthanize. Maybe the meds will work a miracle on him. Overall, I am going through this treatment mainly for the Severum, I will not have her body eaten away with HITH. She's scarfing down the Metro food too. I think the parasites were always present in her, but they just got out of control due to stress when I brought home those few fish a couple weeks ago from Petland that gave my tank ich. It cleared up in 2-3 days with salt and high temps, but I think the stress caused the parasites to get out of control, in the severum at the very least. I suspect the other deaths were cause by it too. The sunken bellies pretty much give it away.

I got 99 problems in this tank right now. My tank usually isnt such a hot mess. Weve fallen on rough times :(
 
Had it in yesterday, during the overdose, but remembered to take it out today after the water change. Then I properly re-dosed the tank, and were carbon free from here on out.
 
Well,since you re-dosed you will have to run carbon again to remove the medication.After you are done with treatment,do whatever water change the medicine suggests.Then,run new carbon for forty-eight hours and then remove it.The following advice is from my experience and what I learned from others.You will get a ton of opinions when it comes to carbon.I haven't used it in my tanks for the last twenty-five years of my thirty years of fish keeping(except for medication removal).You mentioned your severum had lesions on the head.Hole-in-Head or should I say the precursor to it are usually caused by two things,a lack of the proper vitamins and minerals in the diet,bad husbandry and poor water quality.Cichlids are especially prone to it.Its a fact that carbon absorbs a multitude of trace minerals and elements that come from food and are found in the water itself.I have not had a case of H-I-H since i quit using it.Also,I worked at a LFS for a number of years and nearly every one of them that had the beginning lesions of H-I-H cleared completely once they refrained from using carbon.Anyway,thats my experience.Good luck...
 
I never really thought that much about the carbon. Up until 6 months ago, I never used it. I had an Eheim 2215 on my 72 gallon, and didnt think it provided enough filtration, so added a 2217 along side it 6 months ago, and it came with a carbon pad, so just let the 2217 run with the carbon pad it came with, and never bought a replacement for that. Its 6 months old now, probably is inactive? My other pads/media have been changed out since.

So I should toss the carbon? I was wondering about vitamins...My severum is fed 50% of her diet from Hikari large chiclid pellets, and the rest a combination of freeze dried shrimp/mysis/krill, algae waffers she steals from the plecos, and these shrimp puff snacks. Recently added frozen blood worms to the diet. What can I do to add vitamins to her diet?

My water isnt always perfect, but it usually is. I will start doing more water changes for sure now.

What is bad husbandry? She is alone in the tank. I dont think I could fit another severum!

Thanks for sharing knowledge!
 
I've also had several mysterious fish deaths over the past 2-3 weeks (not counting the ich outbreak, which I dont think any of them actually died from. I think a cory died from the salt bath. He had no white spots). The few fish that died, quite some time after the ich cleared up, became dull/dark and tattered looking, and their bellies sunk in, and one developed a sorta "kink" in the spine, not large, but slight. They also were swimming erratic. One has these short white spikes protruding from his scales. Some fish died with no signs- a cory and a black phantom. It's really weird, I'm not entirely sure what happened to them, but once I put the metro in, one fish really perked up. Another is on its way out, I think it was too late to save him, I feel awful its to the point where hes laying on the ground, but I dont have the courage to euthanize. Maybe the meds will work a miracle on him.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I just came across an article on fish TB, and it sounds like it could fit. I also got a small scrape on my hand today cleaning my tank. Geez! I read about how someone's hand needed to be partially taken off after coming in contact with this. Am I just being a hypochondriac?
 
Good morning Jac,
I hope that all is going well in your tank?
Just one little bit of info. If you suspect TB=tuberc...., be careful and wear gloves when working in the tank. One of our MAS members apparently became ill with some form of TB on his skin.
 
oops. I see you said "the consistency of salt". Now I understand the post that "1 tsp of salt = 7 grams".

Another way to validate may be to use a larger scale and divide. Heavier is easier to work with. Let's say you have a 55 gal tank. That is 5.5 "10 gal" tanks. That means your total dose would be "9.7 grams X 5.5" which equals 53.35 grams. Since most of us have kitchen scales that weigh ounces, 53.35 grams = 1.9 ounces. I would guess that 0.1 ounces makes this pretty close to 2 ounces which is easier to weigh.
 
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