Mafia 92: Night of the living Mafia... the play

[Dangerdoll]

"So you don't think the zombie hits should be used?" For the town's benefit, no. But they're going to use those hits anyway so it's rather pointless to offer them advice... it's part of the game, they each will have their own agenda, and those most likely to get lynched are also most likely to base their hits on less logical reasons.

I've been quite clear about my opinion, Dawg. No need to twist that around trying to put other words in my mouth. You on the other hand have expressed a position I find difficult to believe that you really believe in. Hence my raising the question.

The zombies are the best thing going for the scum side. They're going to accelerate the killing with a slim chance of killing mafia vs. townies. They're also a dangerous, unpredictable element that poses a greater threat to the town than the mafia, IMO.

Kash, you say you printed the thread out to read it overnight to get a handle on it.... did you not see where it was kinda scummy to keep rehashing the points about the zombies and their hits? Too much focusing on something that was deliberated on long enough... scummy

Even at end game it would be easier to hit an innocent than to hit the last scum. It's just a numbers thing. How do you not see that?

Wasn't the real point that "They don't have to use the hit" That's what I thought the discussion was all about. You seem to be offering a lot of advice for it to be pointless.

I understand that you are pointing out the odds of hitting scum vs. hitting a townie. The odds should be better of hitting a townie than it is to hit scum but only scum and JB know that for sure. I was pointing out that it would take less hits to take out scum than it would townies because there are fewer scum. Yes you would have to know who the scum were and hopefully that would be based on evidence from the game.

I do see that but it's not always the case. Many times it comes down to one person vs. the other for a lynch and if the town makes the wrong decision they will hopefully follow up with a zombie hit to change things around. Or as a zombie they could put the scum over the top with a hit the other way. It is all up to the individual zombie and to me Kash was pointing out how it would be easier for the zombies to help the scum win. I was pointing out the opposite.

I agree and think there is more to her questioning than what she implies.

more discussion of the zombie hits.... were you guys not satisfied with what was talked about yesterday... or are you trying to keep it in the air to hide from the real task of rooting out you mafia guys?

This just seems scummy to me. Post it anyway it can't hurt anything unless you're scum.

For now I vote to lynch Razz until I see more. That post just doesn't sit well with me.

not sure what is bothering you about it.... can you explain?

I know Razz's comments regarding zombie hits have been hashed over already but this sticks out to me,......

The bolded sentence really sticks out to me ~ "If I were to be lynched and had the option of hitting someone". This almost sounds like you are eluding to the fact that if you are lynched you would not have the option to take a zombie hit, Cause Mafia do not turn into zombies, right?

And what? mafia never votes off townies? Really?

Putting your theory out there might actually help highlight something that other players have not thought of before. Why would you not put it out there?

same as above.....

Now Noods goes back to the zombie points...

Noods, you're not including the fact that zombies do not have to use the hit they are given. Thus, they have the option of using the hit.

Razz may have slipped but it is unfair to not consider the wording the other way.

Actually, it's this point that makes me a little more suspicious of Noods... Evidently Noods, as you post your typo fixes after some of your posts, you are actually pointing o8ut what could be typo's of other folks. Why such a highlight on suspecting folks with typos?

I am still catching up from getting home from work... but these were my thoughts up to this point.... I didn't want to lose my thoughts halfway through

 

[Madcrawdad]

Seeing that it's only Day 1, how can anyone be convinced of anything? Only mafia know who is who but I had myself convinced that FF was on the mafia team but that was blown out of the water. In my post I said I would like to vote either of you but not having enough info to go on, I cannot place my vote there. Although, being day one, I don't know how much more I'm going to get...

Okay. You say that you don't have enough info to place your vote on myself or Ice, right? So why are you saying that you'd want to vote one of us off? Are you seeing the disconnect? Telling someone, "Nothing really convinces me that either of you are scum, but I'd sure like to vote one of you off.." ain't too townie-like in my book.

 

[TwoHobbies]

This has got to be the busiest day one I have ever seen. I wish I could make a good case on someone, but all I see is a lot of people trying to make something out of nothing.

I guess that in itself makes it more like a usual day one.

 

[TwoHobbies]

Well I need to place a vote.

Based pretty much on a bad gut feeling I vote to lynch Noodles

 

[noodles62]

Now Noods goes back to the zombie points...

Actually, it's this point that makes me a little more suspicious of Noods... Evidently Noods, as you post your typo fixes after some of your posts, you are actually pointing o8ut what could be typo's of other folks. Why such a highlight on suspecting folks with typos?

I am still catching up from getting home from work... but these were my thoughts up to this point.... I didn't want to lose my thoughts halfway through

I did not "highlight typos" from other players, I pointed out what could either be construed as slips or badly worded posts - not typos.

 

[Dangerdoll]

Holy smokes, I don't ever remember a Day 1 being so busy before!!

I don't see anything apologetic here. I see Ice not wanting to vote along those he suspects. I don't understand why Ice puts Razz as a distant third on his list though. Ice, are you so confident in Mad/Doom to list Razz as "distant"?

It seems better to lynch a person who is scum. Scum "contribute" by muddying the waters and may look active. I know this isn't your first game Razz, was this another slip?

I dunno.... ever since Noods played the typo's are scum card, I guess I am a bit more alert to the "slips" posts. Could this tie Noods and Labby together, I dunno... but it does look odd.

There's voting with your suspects, and there's voting one of your suspects that your suspects also suspect. Subtle difference, but real. Ice is very wishy washy in his post about razz, he doesn't end up really saying anything at all other than It could a slip but maybe not. Why post that? There's no reason for it except to make it seem like he's being hard on crime.

You realize you have 12 right? Besides, post count is pretty much irrelevant. Any monkey can pound out 30 posts in a day.

the bolded point cracked me up

So i need to get this in now before the storm show up...no telling what will happen with the power. This is going to be quick, but most of the explanation can be found in other posts.

I vote to lynch D-day

The way you tried to make up a case out of thin air against me didnt work. You dismissed it pretty quickly for other endeavors, like it never really happened. Throughout this whole process though, you've done nothing to help the town. You've just been throwing up dust the entire time.

hmmm.... this kinda caught my attention too...

I find it interesting that Jm just tied it up, probably nothing with so many left to vote but still he did.

I thin k that JM is scum still don't like his logic. I will change to C-note to break the tie if it comes to it. I just see a whole lot of nothing.

I also do not think these post count discussions ever amount to more than a small hill of kidney beans.

I will bet being scum so there is no need...

sorry - I have been busy with the wifey kind of stuff.
Well, I do not want to tie it up by placing a vote back onto Razz or on D-Day or JM as that would result in no lynch where we learn nothing; not really seeing the case on C-note so not willing to further seal his fate. I vote to lynch Tank.

BTW where the heck are the votes/posts from DD and LG?

g/o work should lighten up after tomorrow so I hope to devote more game time after that g/o

sorry, had to work late.... had no clue that day 1 would be so much to read.... 9 pages!!

ok, I didn't really see TOO much that I could find as scummy but let me put it out in a list from what I can pick off the top of my head. These are in no particular order.

Kash - continues to hash and rehash (rehash Kash) on the whole Zombie thing. We have been done with that for a while now... way before her posts about it. This is from Kash, once who pays a great deal of attention to detail.... or what I am used to her paying.

Noods - Typo patrol.... yet feels compelled to proofread her posts and puts out that she sees she has posted something wrong... is it supposed to appear as you are an innocent townie and you have noticed your mistake (or slip) before anyone else?

JM - I think with the whole FF thing and he appearing to be in alliance to FF, he feels like he has escaped being looked at as mafia. He continues to point at how unhelpful everyone else is in his path.... I was going to vote Kash off the top of my head but I feel compelled to vote JM...

CNote, Mad, Ice, Razz.... I can't get a read either way from each because as they are pointed at, they have understandable excuses. Are they scummy excuses? I cannot tell yet.

I vote to lynch JM

 

[Dangerdoll]

I did not "highlight typos" from other players, I pointed out what could either be construed as slips or badly worded posts - not typos.

slips, typos... whatever. I've seen you clear up both in your own posts

 

[TwoHobbies]

more discussion of the zombie hits.... were you guys not satisfied with what was talked about yesterday... or are you trying to keep it in the air to hide from the real task of rooting out you mafia guys?

I love it when some try to make it look like others are keeping a subject alive.

 

[jm1212]

Holy smokes, I don't ever remember a Day 1 being so busy before!!



I dunno.... ever since Noods played the typo's are scum card, I guess I am a bit more alert to the "slips" posts. Could this tie Noods and Labby together, I dunno... but it does look odd.


the bolded point cracked me up


hmmm.... this kinda caught my attention too...


I will bet being scum so there is no need...



sorry, had to work late.... had no clue that day 1 would be so much to read.... 9 pages!!

ok, I didn't really see TOO much that I could find as scummy but let me put it out in a list from what I can pick off the top of my head. These are in no particular order.

Kash - continues to hash and rehash (rehash Kash) on the whole Zombie thing. We have been done with that for a while now... way before her posts about it. This is from Kash, once who pays a great deal of attention to detail.... or what I am used to her paying.

Noods - Typo patrol.... yet feels compelled to proofread her posts and puts out that she sees she has posted something wrong... is it supposed to appear as you are an innocent townie and you have noticed your mistake (or slip) before anyone else?

JM - I think with the whole FF thing and he appearing to be in alliance to FF, he feels like he has escaped being looked at as mafia. He continues to point at how unhelpful everyone else is in his path.... I was going to vote Kash off the top of my head but I feel compelled to vote JM...

CNote, Mad, Ice, Razz.... I can't get a read either way from each because as they are pointed at, they have understandable excuses. Are they scummy excuses? I cannot tell yet.

I vote to lynch JM

Hmm...you have successfully caused a tie. this is interesting.

please show me where i played on the "alliance" with FF. i remember asking Ice a similar question as he did, and then i let the issue drop. FF and a few others brought up my name again along with his own, but i would hardly call that an alliance. c'mon DD, surely you can do better. are you trying to protect someone by causing a tie that will prevent the lynch altogether?

 

[jbradt]

Vote count as I have it:

Razz: (2): Mad, Dawg,
JM (3) Doomsday, Rich, DDoll
Mad (1): Ice
Dday (2): Tank, JM
Tank (2) C-note, Noods
2H (1): Kash
C-note (3): Wiz, Labby, Pappy
UN (1): Razz
Noods (1): 2H

Again, let me know if I missed anything.

3 yet to vote, about 20 minutes 'til Nightfall.