Mafia 92: Night of the living Mafia... the play

These two posts bother me a lot. Wishy washy comments followed by a late vote on a loner based on gut feel...anything more non committal you would like to add 2H?



The tie vote with 25 min. until nightfall is something worth noting.

Also, what do you mean by "excuses" DD?



This switch, which up until I saw Razz flip scum had me concerned, makes me lean DDay more innocent than not. Noods as well, obviously, for sealing Razz's fate.

or, noods sealed the deal to distance herself and make herself look innocent. this would be a perfect opportunity to clear herself if she was the deciding vote that not only prevented a tie (i.e. no lynching), but by breaking that tie she killed off a mafia member. quite a few were looking at razz, and had the lynch been prevented, and Mad come up innocent because of the hit, i would go as far to say that razz would have likely been subject to similar voting conditions at the next nightfall, with a tie if not in the lead for the lynch. maybe noods and razz figured as such, and used the opportunity to make noods look great.
 
That's a possibility however the likelihood that a teammate was thrown under the bus this early is very slim in my book. Noods could have just as easily left her vote on Tank and not say anything. That way either DDay gets blamed for tying up the vote or it forces someone to make the decision instead. It was a 50/50 so if that was the case Razz could still be alive and Cnote dead, with the possibility of them being innocent. Not to mention Noods voted Razz earlier in the day so you would have to also make the case for early distancing. The way she posted about the "slip" (if I remember correctly she actually brought it up first too) does not lead me to believe they are/were teammates.
 
There is a lot busier a 1st day then I remember in past games. No one person has me feeling any better about them then another. Its a lot of digging though so I do like this and should help in the following days.

A lot of reaching but its Day 1, I can see where Noods is going and it wouldn't be the 1st time mafia slipped on day 1 but I can also see how it could be just badly worded.

There really is to much going on to just sit and post about it all. If you have a certain question about a certain player and what I'm thinking I'll read those interactions and answer.

Right now Mad and Doom are my top 2. Razz a distant 3rd because it could be a slip but Mad is voting him(?) and I don't think as close as the voting is that it would be distancing.
Was this post distancing? Mentioning Razz, but not really, since he's a "distant 3rd".
[AC] Doomsday998;2644085 said:
I'm getting an Ice/Razz team vibe from this. You seem awfully soft on razz here, almost apologetic ("but mad is voting him").
With knowing that Razz is mafia scum, I now see what you're getting at Doom.
You're funny... If it weren't for you and Mad trying to make something out of nothing and dragging it till it bleeds my vote would probably be on Razz as its something I'd take a Day 1 vote chance on. I won't vote with a suspect, same way I wouldn't vote JM if I thought the case against him was good because you are on him.
More distancing from Ice? Throwing Razz's name out there but pretty much saying he doesn't have scummy feelings from Razz. I don't really see Mad and Doom making something out of nothing. In fact, I'm thinking they were on to something here.
[AC] Doomsday998;2644224 said:
I feel razzle is scummier than you. I think the Ice/Razzle interaction has more strength in it than my case against you. Frankly what I saw in you never materialized as I poked at you, not saying I think you're innocent, but rather I need to reevaluate how I see you.

I think Ice was trying to subtly protect Razzle with passive language about his thoughts on Razz's "slip."
I think you may be correct.
or, noods sealed the deal to distance herself and make herself look innocent. this would be a perfect opportunity to clear herself if she was the deciding vote that not only prevented a tie (i.e. no lynching), but by breaking that tie she killed off a mafia member. quite a few were looking at razz, and had the lynch been prevented, and Mad come up innocent because of the hit, i would go as far to say that razz would have likely been subject to similar voting conditions at the next nightfall, with a tie if not in the lead for the lynch. maybe noods and razz figured as such, and used the opportunity to make noods look great.
I completely disagree with you JM. Imo, it would be foolish to lose a teammate by intentionally voting them out when a tie was likely to happen. If Razz had stopped slipping up, I doubt the voting conditions would have been the same this next nightfall. Right now Noods is the strongest "leaning townie" on my list for being the kill vote on scum since without her vote Razz would still be trying to spin things right and left.
 
I see no reason why on day one with so many options that a mafia team would put a member up for lynch or even in danger. To me that puts Noods and Doom on my as clear as you can be on day two list.

I need to do some more looking and thinking on this.
 
Lost power just before night fall, glad to see Noods moved for the kill vote on a mafia. I can see where it looks like I might have defended Razz but its not the case. My 2 main suspects were voting there, if I had built cases against 2 players then voted with them and Razz turned innocent then what would everyone think? 12 other people didn't vote Razz so they also didn't think guilty.

Sucks we lost Mad to a hit and LG to a UD. UN I've come to expect to UD.

I doubt Noods moved last second to kill a team mate but I guess there is the possibility and only because she was on Razz then moved back off before jumping back on.
Doom has to be innocent
Dawg could have gotten trapped on Razz but I'm leaning heavily innocent.

No time this morning but will catch up tonight.
 
I dont think I will have much time today (I was just told that one of the State Reviewers will be working on MY PC this morning and we have an afternoon of meetings!)

Without pulling the quotes, there were a few questions regarding my last minute vote switch. I considered the switch because a tie would result in no lynching which is useless in terms of information. I switched to Razz as he had been on my suspect list for the majority of the time. Thankfully it was a great switch and amazingly we got one scum on night one! If that makes me scummy then knock yourself out with building a case on that.
My typos; if correcting them makes me scummy DD, then go for it. Seems like a pretty weak case IMO. I always try to correct my typos, just a pet peeve of mine. Oh and as far me not posting my thoughts on the other player I was considering - it turned out to be not so supsicious after I looked into it further. Why would I call out another player for no apparent reason and put a possible PR in the lime light?
 
I don't have much time, great job on the lynch guys.

Sorry to see you go Mad.

By the time I got through reading the thread last night I was so tired I could put a coherent thought together to save my life. I did see a couple things that I want to look into tonight though. Have another busy day today so will post later tonight.
 
This bothered me last night and it still makes me wonder. Is there any chance C-note was a teammate? I need to look into that. I'm also going to be looking into Razz's posts to see if they point to anyone.

I suspect Cnote already but Razz's last post was an hour before nightfall and that was the vote on UN. At that point Cnote was still in the lead with Razz at two. It is possible Razz just thought Cnote would end up taking the lynch and wasn't around to switch when DDay and Noods switched but it is also possible I guess that Razz wasn't able to switch anyways if Cnote is in fact a teammate.
 
could be considered a "slip", one townie from the get go could be construed as 1 down, however many to go... but you cleared that up. To me, this looks like a slip that you hoped to appear innocent enough with correcting yourself... You call it typo I guess... or you might in order to try to clean it up for yourself.



this, I call a legitimate "typo"





I am interested in if this was someone that is still here. Why didn't you post who this was and your thoughts, Noods?


actually, I found one that could be seen as a slip or typo and one typo that was legitimate.

I am highlighting this because I was in the process of looking through your posts as I said I would. I am interested though Noods how yoiu came to vote so close to night and got a Mafia.... it's quite an accomplishment for a Day 1 lynch, kudo's to you but what was the clincher that made you switch?

DD, do you actually suspect Noods or is this post just to clarify your statements before nightfall?

I would hardly call the first instance you quote a "slip". The sentence doesn't even make sense really without the word Noods forgot and then corrected.

Your explanation as to how it could be construed makes no sense either as Noods specifically said "Being one townie from the get go sucks". If she is scum, and slipped up, why would she say that? Wouldn't the scum be glad FF quit?

I really think that we should look into a few of the buried votes that were placed right near nightfall...
2H, why noods?
Kash, why 2H?

Kash's vote was about 5.5 hours before nightfall, note even close to "right near" nightfall. Why would you include hers?
 
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