Mafia 92: Night of the living Mafia... the play

[AC] C-note;2643565 said:
No zombies should have their own interest at heart. Why should they care about letting the town win if they lose? If the town wins then anyone who was a zombie loses. If someone was a townie and then was changed to mafia they would be expected to go with their new team and not have a town win mindset.






well they should pay attention the next days events, especially if they are unsure on whom to use the hit, because there is a 24 hr window to cast the hit.





would you prefer that he had just let the question go and ignored it?
I fail to see how answering a question is "defensive''
Why is C-Note speaking for and answering questions for Razz and Ice here? I would like to see C-Note comment on this post. Especially since Razz had already responded to the first part. C-Note still felt the need to step in.

This has to be the most overused term in mafia. Tell me Mad, who isn't innocent or mafia at this point? Only mafia know who is who. Are you sure your vote on Razz is on mafia or could they be innocent? Speaking of your vote,if I'm not mistaken its for being overly helpful. Isn't that what your zombie post was about,helping?

For being hypocritical and stating the obvious in a mode of attack.



I vote to lynch Mad
I really don't like this reasoning for Ice's vote on Mad. Doesn't seem like Ice to me.

Any reasons?



This vote (regardless of who it was placed on) doesn't seem right to me. Dawg, why is it that you post the same thing as Mad just 6 minutes later?

If a faulty theory means that much to either of you I can post it but as of now, I am not seeing how it could help.
Posted the quote above because it just seems funny after nightfall. Glad my hunch was right.

[AC] C-note;2643909 said:
Voting someone who isn't contributing to the game seems like a thrown vote.
...and then C-Note places a singleton vote on Tank.

[AC] C-note;2643920 said:
that is a very astute observation. good catch.
If C-Note is scum this quote made me pause because why call attention to it?

-I do not believe that mafia turn into zombies.


-That fact slipped my mind at the time of the post but you are absolutely right. My mistake.


-If it would help the town then I have no problem posting it but keep in mind this was formed before we knew FF was innocent.

FF calls Ice out for "Watching" three people and then calls him out for being "Agressive". This I saw as distancing early on and then FF places his vote on Ice to distance them even further. But then when FF comes under fire from Mad, he switches his vote off of Ice to Mad (keeping in mind this was where Ice's vote has been). Then I assume that someone in the scum den told him not to jump around like that and that he made a mistake so he pulled it off (if I am correct) 2 or 3 posts later. Based on this I saw those three as scum in the following rank:

FF, Ice, Mad

Now that my main suspect has been proven innocent, I really have noting to go on. The interaction between Ice and Mad could either be mafia distancing (but it was a little much) or a mafia vs. townie argument. I don't know if they are both mafia but I could see one... I'm just not sure which one...
Razz can see one or both of the two (Ice, Mad) as being scum. Never says they could both be innocent. I was thinking this may have been a poor attempt to get a teammates name on the list?

[AC] C-note;2644097 said:
Ok, now im all confused and flustered, I will do my best to explain

I was concerned with the fact that Tank just dumped off a vote on a non contributing player, it seems like he was trying to just toss the vote away to avoid making a decision.
-does the fact that it was a low poster have to do with anything? -- Only in the sense that at the time many people (including myself) had low post count, but putting that vote on the lowest person would have drawn more attention, so I believe that Tank picked a "moderatly" low poster and voted there.

In regards to this post, I was referring to that Labby brought up Tanks reason for the vote, that there was a train, not that the train was Labbys reason for possibly voting for Tank.

I hope this clears things up.
C-Note plays the confused and flustered card.

C-note, I still am not following how you think that voting off a person who isn't helping the town is worse than voting off a contributer. While yes I would like to vote off either Ice or Mad but I can't decide who is mafia (if either) so my vote will likely not land on them tonight. So now looking into other players, why not vote for someone who isn't helping the town all that much? IMO, (without any leads, gut feelings or slips) an unhelpful person seems like a better person to lynch over someone who is contributing. Would you agree with that?

I'll be back with a few posts in a little bit.
Razz would still like to vote off either Ice or Mad but votes UN to hide.

Well obviously scum come before all else. Lab I think you need to read the post as it is written. Either you are skimming or reading into my posts. You are trying just a little too hard to find a slip.



Seeing that it's only Day 1, how can anyone be convinced of anything? Only mafia know who is who but I had myself convinced that FF was on the mafia team but that was blown out of the water. In my post I said I would like to vote either of you but not having enough info to go on, I cannot place my vote there. Although, being day one, I don't know how much more I'm going to get...

One thing that I have noticed throughout this game is that User_Name isn't helping all that much. He has had 48 hours to contribute some thoughful information and simply hasn't. In his 8 or so posts he has only had one that has shown that he is actually reading the game. In this format it would be very easy for scum to hide behind other arguments and not contribute or contribute just enough to keep up in the post count without actually saying anything. For that reason I vote to lynch User_Name.

I could see an Ice, Razz, C-Note thing going on here but I still want to see more. I also don't buy Ice's power outage thing as to why he's not posting. I'd like to see more from Ice.

I have the same comment for Wiz and Kash. They keep talking about being busy and not really contributing much to the game right now. I'd like to see more from them too. Seems like people that typically get pointed at early are trying to lay low so as not to get noticed. Well that's making me notice.
 
DD, do you actually suspect Noods or is this post just to clarify your statements before nightfall?

I would hardly call the first instance you quote a "slip". The sentence doesn't even make sense really without the word Noods forgot and then corrected.

Your explanation as to how it could be construed makes no sense either as Noods specifically said "Being one townie from the get go sucks". If she is scum, and slipped up, why would she say that? Wouldn't the scum be glad FF quit?



Kash's vote was about 5.5 hours before nightfall, note even close to "right near" nightfall. Why would you include hers?
Good point JPap, I was wondering the same thing about DD.
 
I suspect Cnote already but Razz's last post was an hour before nightfall and that was the vote on UN. At that point Cnote was still in the lead with Razz at two. It is possible Razz just thought Cnote would end up taking the lynch and wasn't around to switch when DDay and Noods switched but it is also possible I guess that Razz wasn't able to switch anyways if Cnote is in fact a teammate.
I also keep questioning...what are the chances of having two scum up for the lynch on D1? Slim to none I know but it is possible.
 
I really think that we should look into a few of the buried votes that were placed right near nightfall...
2H, why noods?

I actually had a few places I was comfterable placing a vote, but none of them were in the running for the lynch. 9 times out of 10 on day one I'm wrong so I went with a secondary level player. (on my list)
She was originally on FF, who I thought was innocent, and an easy place to hide her vote. Add that to the vote on Razz (who I also had as innocent) and what looked to me as maybe another easy target....thus my vote went there.
So I was wong on Razz, and Noods.
 
DD, do you actually suspect Noods or is this post just to clarify your statements before nightfall?

I would hardly call the first instance you quote a "slip". The sentence doesn't even make sense really without the word Noods forgot and then corrected.

Your explanation as to how it could be construed makes no sense either as Noods specifically said "Being one townie from the get go sucks". If she is scum, and slipped up, why would she say that? Wouldn't the scum be glad FF quit?



Kash's vote was about 5.5 hours before nightfall, note even close to "right near" nightfall. Why would you include hers?
Thinking about it now, it was something else about Kash's vote earlier in the day...that was a late post last night and i had forgotten to say why i included that one as well. overall, i think that Kash buried that vote on 2H with a haphazard case that was rushed and not thought through. Kash isnt playing the game she usually does, and it seems strange to me

Why is C-Note speaking for and answering questions for Razz and Ice here? I would like to see C-Note comment on this post. Especially since Razz had already responded to the first part. C-Note still felt the need to step in.


I really don't like this reasoning for Ice's vote on Mad. Doesn't seem like Ice to me.


Posted the quote above because it just seems funny after nightfall. Glad my hunch was right.


...and then C-Note places a singleton vote on Tank.


If C-Note is scum this quote made me pause because why call attention to it?


Razz can see one or both of the two (Ice, Mad) as being scum. Never says they could both be innocent. I was thinking this may have been a poor attempt to get a teammates name on the list?


C-Note plays the confused and flustered card.


Razz would still like to vote off either Ice or Mad but votes UN to hide.



I could see an Ice, Razz, C-Note thing going on here but I still want to see more. I also don't buy Ice's power outage thing as to why he's not posting. I'd like to see more from Ice.

I have the same comment for Wiz and Kash. They keep talking about being busy and not really contributing much to the game right now. I'd like to see more from them too. Seems like people that typically get pointed at early are trying to lay low so as not to get noticed. Well that's making me notice.
 
I actually had a few places I was comfterable placing a vote, but none of them were in the running for the lynch. 9 times out of 10 on day one I'm wrong so I went with a secondary level player. (on my list)
She was originally on FF, who I thought was innocent, and an easy place to hide her vote. Add that to the vote on Razz (who I also had as innocent) and what looked to me as maybe another easy target....thus my vote went there.
So I was wong on Razz, and Noods.

Care to share?
 
These two posts bother me a lot. Wishy washy comments followed by a late vote on a loner based on gut feel...anything more non committal you would like to add 2H?

Sorry Pap, but maybe my response to JM's question will help you some. Would you have been happier had I not voted?
 
Am at work now so I can't stay. By the time I got to the thread last night there were just too many pages to take in all at once. I'll have to catch up tonight.

One thing, JM the way you keep harping about me for low participation, I was surprised you followed that with a vote somewhere else. That seemed a little odd, considering the number of times you blasted me. But.... as you've been gone for a while maybe you haven't noticed this is what it is for me now. So I understand that part. Back when I was more active, I was working from home and could get on whenever I wanted to. I work in an office now where 3 other people can see my computer screen. You'll have to either accept that or just vote me. I'll leave that up to you.
 
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