Mafia 92: Night of the living Mafia... the play

[dirtydawg10]

I thought this was a joke but just in case it wasn't I decided to respond to it this time.

I like my vote where it is, but as I read the thread again I'm having trouble finding anything else. I might be overworked or something, but my brain isn't working.

I'm getting an uneasy feeling with Dawg though, there have been a couple of comments by him that have made me go "hmmm."





I don't like to see someone feel like they have to quit, but seeing as how he was a plain old innocent, any info from his lynching really wouldn't have come out for another nightfall or more.



I call this a pretty weak argument. he was the 2nd vote on razz, it's possible he got stuck.



Dawg knows the rule.







This was very close to nightfall. Dawg could have moved to break the tie at this point. A lot of people were on at nightfall, and could have moved though. What I think is strange is that his focus seemed to be on where Razz was rather than breaking the tie which was the active topic in the thread for about 30 mins before night hit.



Now he forgot the rules. If LG wasn't town she's scum. Did he not say that because he knew she wasn't and was confused? There was some confusion going on at the time, but this is an odd way to look at it imo.

It's not enough for my to change my vote, but it's something I'm going to keep in the back of my mind.

I agree with the first part about the brain not working.

Any lynch comes with it's share of information. It may have taken a few more days but eventually things add up. Not to mention having as many innocents in the game as possible only helps the Town.

A pretty weak argument? I saw it as a scum tell because an innocent should just put info out there for others to see. He seemed to be using FF quitting as an excuse not to post. Turned out I was right.

Of course...I read the rules.

So you think I should have moved off of Razz to break the tie? I was voting for Razz and he was scum. Why would moving my vote have helped the Town? If I was scum yes I would have loved to move my vote to someone who wasn't scum and say I was breaking the tie.

No I didn't forget the rules. Remember , I read them. I was pointing out to JB that he didn't let us know what LG was. He didn't say she was innocent, scum or turned to a Zombie. I wasn't sure and I said she could be "either" which means innocent or scum.

So now what's in the back of your mind? It's not enough for you to change your mind but you are stretching to try and get people to look at me. Were you waiting to see if anyone would bite first?

 

[IceH2O]

Really? I never said I "knew" JM was innocent. I said something did not feel right. Plus, I don't see how could I could not have voted for Cnote after his bizarro post. Still not feeling real good about what he was trying to accomplish. Very strange IMO. If you feel good about making me a suspect and casting doubt, then go for it. I would rather be lynched and have a zombie hit then be a mafia hit with not retaliation.....:grinyes:

Knew he was innocent or something didn't feel right,whichever. 9 times out of 10 its something scum says just before an innocent is lynched so they can explain away why they didn't vote there. Maybe you are the 1 out of 10, shouldn't bother you to be looked into then.

 

[IceH2O]

Day 1 Noods votes Razz puts Razz ahead by 1 vote.

Current vote count:

Razz: (3): Mad, Dawg, Noodles
JM (2) Doomsday, Rich
Mad (1): Ice
Dday (1): Tank
Tank (1) C-note
2H (1): Kash

Please let me know if I missed anything.

Sometime mid day Noods retracts off Razz, not sure of the timing but next vote count know shows Cnote ahead by 1, I'll have to look back and see if she caused the the tie to be broken between Razz and Cnote.

I am not trying to imply anything. You just seemed a little defensive of Razz after I voted for him and it struck me as odd.
Regardless, I have been reading over things again and I believe I have found something else that piques my interest. I do not have the time to pull quotes (I have a meeting shortly) but for now I retract my vote on Razz

Vote count as I have it:

Razz: (2): Mad, Dawg,
JM (2) Doomsday, Rich
Mad (1): Ice
Dday (2): Tank, JM
Tank (1) C-note
2H (1): Kash
C-note (3): Wiz, Labby, Pappy



7 have not yet voted by my count.

Nightfall in about 1:45

sorry - I have been busy with the wifey kind of stuff.
Well, I do not want to tie it up by placing a vote back onto Razz or on D-Day or JM as that would result in no lynch where we learn nothing; not really seeing the case on C-note so not willing to further seal his fate. I vote to lynch Tank.

BTW where the heck are the votes/posts from DD and LG?

g/o work should lighten up after tomorrow so I hope to devote more game time after that g/o

She doesn't want to vote Razz, JM or Doom because it will cause a tie, but there were still votes out there, how would she know if it stayed tied and besides she could move last minute if need be as she did anyway.
Instead she votes Tank who I don't really remember her going after much if at all.

Vote count as I have it:

Razz: (2): Mad, Dawg,
JM (3) Doomsday, Rich, DDoll
Mad (1): Ice
Dday (2): Tank, JM
Tank (2) C-note, Noods
2H (1): Kash
C-note (3): Wiz, Labby, Pappy
UN (1): Razz
Noods (1): 2H

Again, let me know if I missed anything.

3 yet to vote, about 20 minutes 'til Nightfall.

Vote count:

Razz: (3): Mad, Dawg, DDay
JM (2) Rich, DDoll
Mad (1): Ice
Dday (2): Tank, JM
Tank (2) C-note, Noods
2H (1): Kash
C-note (3): Wiz, Labby, Pappy
UN (1): Razz
Noods (1): 2H,


No votes: UN, LG

Nightfall in 12 minutes.

It's not the case anymore, Noods. A vote for Razz now actually breaks the tie....

Yea, but if I am wrong and he is innocent, I have sealed my fate. I am not sure enough about Razz to move. I am not the only one that can move to change the tie.

ok Mad. I'll bite. I will break the tie. If I am wrong I will look at you tomorrow, for this push. I retract my vote to lynch Tank and vote to lynch Razz

9 out of 10 times my initial reaction is correct. We shall see.

She lets Mad "TALK" her into moving back to Razz with just a few minutes left.

I could see where JM thought it was fishy now that I've really looked at how it played out. What we have to consider is why she didn't want to vote Doom or Cnote,who she voted yesterday, on Day 1. We now know why she didn't want to vote JM, also need to consider if the talk in the den was who would be willing to be sacrificed.
If there are(were) 5 mafia I could see sacrificing 1 on Day 1 especially if 3 of them were on the block- Cnote Razz Doom. All were withing a vote or 2 of being taken out.
Doom moving to Razz from JM helps me to think this is plausible especially when he could have stayed and Noods could have just voted JM and taken out an innocent.

I know your asking why sacrifice when you had an innocent pretty much taken down.

1. Well it makes 2 of the mafia automatically look good,doesn't it?
2. Innocents get the free hit. Noods being the death blow might garner an OMGUS hit from JM.

 

[IceH2O]

I went back and looked, Noods retraction was shortly after the vote count and no other votes had been cast or retracted, so she took Razz out of the lead and tied him with JM.

 

[the wizard]

I've already stated my concerns with you. Guess you weren't paying attention. That's what concerns me. You seem to just be floating by in this game and not really digging all that much. Your comment about your thoughts on how many mafia there are seem fishy to me. I need to go back and look at you a bit more but I'm thinking my vote may fall to you again today.

What you stated was that it bothered you that I wished we had a fixed number on how many scum there were. I know we can't be facing as many as the posting would lead us to believe.

I don't understand why it is such a big deal to want to know that. We are facing a few handicaps. With the aliases we don't know who they are so if it is someone that normally looks scummy even when innocent we can't make that determination.

As for your concern about me not doing much digging, look at the time stamps on my posts. I have been posting as I am waking up before work, and when I get home I have 8-10 pages at 40 posts per page to read before I know what has gone on during the day.

I am not DD, I don't skim. I read every a and and the that gets typed. I also pay attention to the punctuation as that can change the way a post reads. I don't read fast. So I post late at night after catching up when I should be going to bed.

Yes I used to dig deeper than I have been. The search this thread tool was my best friend in these games. Guess which friend didn't survive the upgrade. At least I cannot find search this thread anywhere. So I am not going to be able to dig the way I did in the past.

I will still dig but to dig like I used to I am going to need to have a very strong feeling that we are all missing something on a specific player.

So if all you have for voting me is wanting to know how many we are facing and that I haven't dug like I used to, with all the other scumminess in this thread, that is very weak my friend. I would expect much more from you.

 

[Dangerdoll]

the search tool is still there, Wiz.... on the top left. When you click on it, go to the "advanced options" link..... coulda sworn it was like that last time...

 

[the wizard]

I went back and looked, Noods retraction was shortly after the vote count and no other votes had been cast or retracted, so she took Razz out of the lead and tied him with JM.

This is interesting and I never even noticed. I think with all the participation D1 that this may have slipped by many of us.

So, correct me if I am wrong. We all know Noods tends to pop when squeezed. You are saying that Mad squeezed Noods into the switch to Razz and the den agreed it was better to sacrifice one of their own and gain the benefit of Noods being the kill vote than to lose one anyway and a townie being the kill vote.

 

[the wizard]

the search tool is still there, Wiz.... on the top left. When you click on it, go to the "advanced options" link..... coulda sworn it was like that last time...

It used to be "search this thread" you can narrow your search to specific forums and topics but haven't found how to narrow your search to the specific thread you are viewing.

 

[Dangerdoll]

if you click on the "search thread" on the top right of this screen (where the old search was), and then advanced options.... a box pops up and you can still be specific and search within this thread..... you just need to click the button within that one section..... not fill the entire thing out.... just click search now within that section.

here's to show you...

 

[dirtydawg10]

Wiz...uper right corner in bar just under the title of the thread there is a button that says "search thread" click it and a box you can type your word into shows up.

What you stated was that it bothered you that I wished we had a fixed number on how many scum there were. I know we can't be facing as many as the posting would lead us to believe.

I don't understand why it is such a big deal to want to know that. We are facing a few handicaps. With the aliases we don't know who they are so if it is someone that normally looks scummy even when innocent we can't make that determination.

As for your concern about me not doing much digging, look at the time stamps on my posts. I have been posting as I am waking up before work, and when I get home I have 8-10 pages at 40 posts per page to read before I know what has gone on during the day.

I am not DD, I don't skim. I read every a and and the that gets typed. I also pay attention to the punctuation as that can change the way a post reads. I don't read fast. So I post late at night after catching up when I should be going to bed.

Yes I used to dig deeper than I have been. The search this thread tool was my best friend in these games. Guess which friend didn't survive the upgrade. At least I cannot find search this thread anywhere. So I am not going to be able to dig the way I did in the past.

I will still dig but to dig like I used to I am going to need to have a very strong feeling that we are all missing something on a specific player.

So if all you have for voting me is wanting to know how many we are facing and that I haven't dug like I used to, with all the other scumminess in this thread, that is very weak my friend. I would expect much more from you.

It's not that you were questioning how many scum we are up against it is that I think by your post that you already knew how many. Your posts don't seem like usual. Regardless of time your posts don't seem to have the content and well thought out theories that I am used to from you. I think you are just skating by.