Mafia 101 - Blarney Castle: Return of the Leprechauns - Game Thread

[Lady G]

Its nothing but its vote worthy lol

 

[Zaffy]

This makes no sense Zaff...you are voting me b/c I assume you think I'm scum, yet you think there is a good chance Kash is?? It seemd to me you are implying Kash and are are evil team mates...seriously???


I said why, it's ok...I fully expected I was going tonight, my role will be revealed regardless I couldn't go down not sharing my thoughts and I couldn't go down with my vote left on Kash when I think IQ and Zaff are actually the remaining scum. After I am gone, I can't say my thoughts and I would rather them be out there.

I think there's a chance either one of you is scum. I'm leaning the chance is greater that you're are scum because of your arguments.

 

[Lady G]

Wowzers, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. I thought it was weird that you didn't think Toes slipped but with everyone on Toes I figured you were doing as I was and looking forward. I wasn't thinking you were innocent but wasn't thinking scummy either. I was reserving my judgement on you as I know you go off half cocked sometimes. I can't believe you and Kashta are both evil the way you've gone after each other so one is innocent. I don't see anything scummy from Zaffy. You are basing a whole lot on feelings and coincidence, and nothing on fact.

I retract my vote on Kashta and vote to lynch LG

To be frank, everyone knows I'm more then "half cocked" LMAO!! Of course you (nor anyone else) see's anything scummy from Zaff, he'd have to actually post in the game to see anything from him, I know of at least one other game he was absent pretty much the entire game and he ended up evil and sliding through, it would not surprise me if that is what he is trying to do this time also. As far as fact....there are NEVER actual FACTS in this game unless a invest is revealed, so pretty much everything is a "feeling" in these games and the way you interpret things, the only way you would have a FACT is if someone outright says "I'm evil".

 

[Lab_Rat]

Current vote count:
LG (4) - Wiz (#275), Kash (#316), Zaffy (#360), Fozzy (#362)
Kash (2) - LG (#290), Hi Iq (#320), Driver (#386)
Hi Iq (2) - AAF (#299), LG (#380)
Driver (1) - JB (#363)




Nightfall in 1 hour and 1 minute. PMs as needed.

 

[Kashta]

On to Kash.

I can't find a lot to question in Kash's posts, but there's a couple things that caught my eye:

This post seems a little odd to me. The question to Wiz seems meaningless. And I know Dawg made a joke about it before, and Kash pretty much said it was a joke. Ordinarilly, it would have seemed out of place, but in this post it really kind of doesn't. The post seems to be a lot of fluffy questions I can't really hold that against her though. It was early in the game, and fluffy questions were largely all there were to ask at that time. Another thing that strikes me as odd, is that it seems Kash went to great lengths to mention every player. This could be Kash's mafia OCD coming out. It could also be a way (if she's evil) to not give the town hints by leaving someone off her list.


I can see the point on AAF. I have him leaning innocent too. I don't however have reason to clear Zaffy or Fozzy. This seems a bit premature so early in the game. And it seems a little bit odd to me to come out and say it so early. Again, if Kash is evil, this could be a way to cozy up to the a couple townies, or a way to try and move suspicion away from a teammate. Like I said, I have no real reason to clear Zaff or Fozzy at this point.


This post is a little discomforting in the fact that Kash is saying the statement about trading Dawg for 3 townies (or whatever) wasn't troubling coming from her. No offense, Kash; but I'll take it however I want. That being said, I didn't find the statement troubling when I read it. I do however have to take a ltitle time to think this one out. Someone earlier mentioned that Kash might be trading on her reputation to get people to go along rather than focusing on evidence. This may well be an example of that. I need to go back and figure out who said that.



This post really struck me as odd. For Kash, someone who I've come to think of as the mafia record keeper to make such a mistake is a little strange. I never mentioned LG's vote, but Kash has him agreeing with me about it. I called out the slip, but I don't recall saying anything about LG. Can you clarify this for me Kash?

The biggest thing I can see is Kash not pulling posts. I know the reason was given "to save time" or some such, but it still seems a bit off to me. It makes it very difficult to go back and look at the context of the posts. I could go along with the time saving aspect (especially since the username search for posts in this thread doesn't seem to be working for me). And I don't see how it really saves that much time when you ended up typing out and changing the color on so many quotes anyway. That, along with the stuff mentioned above gives me pause on Kash.

JB, that list of questions was a full list of what I came up with to ask everyone. I did go to great lengths to question everyone on at least something if I could. I even alphabetized it. (Gee, is OCD really a bad thing? If so, I'm in trouble. lol.)

The game was dead and no one was talking. I wanted to get people participating. If nothing else, having to answer a direct question makes people at least show up. Past that, they might go away again or they might keep talking. And yeah it was day 1. I'm not worried about leaving hints by leaving names off a list that early on day 1. (Even when I am evil, that wouldn't be an issue to me.)

The only thing I found from Wizard to wonder about yet then was his vote. I know it was a dumb question... it was. When Dawg laughed at it, I laughed too. He was right.

The reason why I wanted to know if Wizard would call his day 1 O3T random vote a random/joke vote or not was as I re-read the posts, I noticed O3T went after AAF even harder than I'd realized before. That concerned me. That's why I questioned O3T more pointedly off my list of names than others. And since Wizard had voted him earlier already, I wondered if Wizard had noticed this too or not and decided to pick O3T "at random" for a reason.

It did come across funny and looked like a joke question, but that didn't matter. I still wondered if Wizard was seeing the same thing about O3T that I was seeing at the time. And I figured his response to even a dumb looking question from me might indicate whether we might be on the same page or not.... maybe tell me something about which side Wizard is on.

On seeming to clear Fozzy and Zaffy based on them voting alongside O3T against AAF.... I know it was premature. And I know I'm not locked in to leaving it that way should something come up later that points to either of them as scummy. So leaning them innocent was okay. I figured that might get some response too. If Fozzy is scum, he's new and might relax a little. Do something stupid. If Zaffy is scum, he might venture out more to either come after me for it or do something else. Not exactly sure which way Zaffy would go, mind you, but whatever he did might be telling. The rationale behind it does have some merit to it anyway so it's a consideration in their favor if nothing else.

It isn't foolproof to go by the usual habit of scum spreading their early votes out, of course. But that's what they usually do so it's still good indicator. Just don't consider it written in stone.

Since it only took 3 votes to put AAF in the running for that tie, it's kinda hard to imagine O3T and Fozzy or O3T and Zaffy deciding in the scumden.... "hey, let's both vote AAF together." I just find that an unlikely possibility. It didn't worry me to say so either. It's an indication, I see it as an indication. I said so. Others may see it the same, others may not. I don't know, I just don't care if I'm questioned for leaning someone this way or that way. I'm really trying to figure out which way to lean everyone. So I know that comes across too.

Lastly. Can you clarify this for me Kash?

Let me go find that post. I thought it was you, maybe it wasn't.

 

[[AC] HI IQ]

Current vote count:
LG (4) - Wiz (#275), Kash (#316), Zaffy (#360), Fozzy (#362)
Kash (2) - LG (#290), Hi Iq (#320), Driver (#386)
Hi Iq (2) - AAF (#299), LG (#380)
Driver (1) - JB (#363)




Nightfall in 1 hour and 1 minute. PMs as needed.

Post 388 I switched to LG

 

[[AC] HI IQ]

To be frank, everyone knows I'm more then "half cocked" LMAO!! Of course you (nor anyone else) see's anything scummy from Zaff, he'd have to actually post in the game to see anything from him, I know of at least one other game he was absent pretty much the entire game and he ended up evil and sliding through, it would not surprise me if that is what he is trying to do this time also. As far as fact....there are NEVER actual FACTS in this game unless a invest is revealed, so pretty much everything is a "feeling" in these games and the way you interpret things, the only way you would have a FACT is if someone outright says "I'm evil".

That isn't true. Fact in this game is more then a slip or a revealed invest. Its voting patterns, its protections, its false cases,etc. Not many times do feelings work in someones favor unless the player is not being their usual self.

 

[Zaffy]

To be frank, everyone knows I'm more then "half cocked" LMAO!! Of course you (nor anyone else) see's anything scummy from Zaff, he'd have to actually post in the game to see anything from him, I know of at least one other game he was absent pretty much the entire game and he ended up evil and sliding through, it would not surprise me if that is what he is trying to do this time also. As far as fact....there are NEVER actual FACTS in this game unless a invest is revealed, so pretty much everything is a "feeling" in these games and the way you interpret things, the only way you would have a FACT is if someone outright says "I'm evil".

If you've got a question for me, fire away.

 

[Kashta]

Here it is JB. It was you O3T agreed with.

Your post.

HUH? Was this clarified somewhere? I was just wondering whether Chill was a communicator or not and I couldn't find it in the thread. The nightfall post just says "Evil Leprechaun".

O3T's reply.

You're right, my mistake. For some reason in my head I thought Lab said that Chill was the non communicator but he could have been with the team.

That does lower LG on my list then.

What that concerned were the comments about Chill. Then how O3T used that as their reason to lower suspicion on Lady G.

 

[Kashta]

You weren't talking about Lady G. You talked about Chill. But O3T used that to change his mind about Lady G... in agreement with Dawg lowering her on Dawg's list.

I found it interesting because it seemed like scum using the comments of another to base their position on. That way they're less likely to be held accountable for it directly. The maneuver reeked of scummy maneuvering to me.