Veggies for oto's.

I stated in your previous thread to wait....and there is plenty of information out there on why.....

So much information that you don't want to share any of it, apparently. With otos it's not how long the tank has been established but how much stress the fish have been through. My tank had been set up less than a month before I added four. I had NO losses. My lfs had had them for about a week before I got them.
 
I did share it...with links in the other thread. Glad yours made it...it is how well the tank is established actually, for many of the otos suffer damage and infection from netting and cyanide, and as they stress, the natural parasites in their digestive track can no longer be kept at bay. Coupled with a damaged mouth, they survive better on a soft bio-film vice hard algae and tablets.
 
Yeah I read all that on otocinclus.com but you were the only one of all my resources that suggested waiting upwards of a year (I actually didn't go to that link you provided in my old thread and used the oto website I mentioned). It's not that I'm saying you're wrong I just know that there's a lot of answers in this hobby and I know that they had plenty to munch on from that film to the soft algae that usually grows big time in newer tanks (which I read they loved so thatished me in the direction of being ok with them also). Most everything I read mentioned what you mentioned (as far as catching practices with cyanide and stuff) and that's why it suggested to not buy them from a lfs til they've been there a while to let weak ones 'die off'. Not my words. So I took the plunge using my best judgement based on what I read. I do dissolve the algae wafers and they aren't hard when I put them in spots for the otos, just mushy and I'm pretty confident the rest of them will do fine as there's plenty to eat. There's enough soft stuff growing I'm pretty sure they're not even caring about the algae I'm adding either lol
 
for many of the otos suffer damage and infection from netting and cyanide, and as they stress, the natural parasites in their digestive track can no longer be kept at bay.

Thank you for making my point for me. This has nothing to do with the "establishment" of the home aquarium but with the stress associated with the commercial process. This can cause a die off at the home aquaria that otos are notorious for. Not the aquarium itself. As for the biofilm/algae in the home, from my experience and what I've read and heard, anecdotally, even a small group will strip a large aquarium within a few days to a couple weeks thereby requiring supplementation.
 
You mis-read then...that established tank with the bio-film is what helps them have a higher survival rate. In a well established aquarium, the bio-film is under constant replenishment and is always present...thats the slimeyness you feel when working in the tank....that cloudiness you wash away on tank cleaning....

@ Neph...you should go back and read other sources...especially at planet catfish and even posts on this forum by Barbie.....
 
Yeah I read all that on otocinclus.com but you were the only one of all my resources that suggested waiting upwards of a year (I actually didn't go to that link you provided in my old thread and used the oto website I mentioned). It's not that I'm saying you're wrong I just know that there's a lot of answers in this hobby and I know that they had plenty to munch on from that film to the soft algae that usually grows big time in newer tanks (which I read they loved so thatished me in the direction of being ok with them also). Most everything I read mentioned what you mentioned (as far as catching practices with cyanide and stuff) and that's why it suggested to not buy them from a lfs til they've been there a while to let weak ones 'die off'. Not my words. So I took the plunge using my best judgement based on what I read. I do dissolve the algae wafers and they aren't hard when I put them in spots for the otos, just mushy and I'm pretty confident the rest of them will do fine as there's plenty to eat. There's enough soft stuff growing I'm pretty sure they're not even caring about the algae I'm adding either lol
I think it's important to separate the various issues here:

1. Wild-caught otos can be damaged by their capture and subsequent starvation during shipping and time spent in the LFS (which causes loss of the special gut bacteria that enables them to digest algae; once that bacteria is gone, the oto will starve to death no matter how much it eats). So, if at all possible, it's much better to buy domestically bred otos like that from James0816 on these forums. IMO, waiting to buy the older ones from the LFS will only work if the store keeps their otos in tanks with a plentiful supply of soft algae/biofilm. Most do not and so waiting to buy them might not have the desired result.

2. Otos, wild-caught or domestic, are highly sensitive to water conditions and changes in those conditions. For that reason, an extended (3 hour) drip-acclimation is sometimes recommended for all otos, regardless of their point of origin. Additionally, I believe that adding several otos to a tank can cause enough of a blip in water quality to affect these sensitive fish, and I'm beginning to think that it would be wise to do WC every day for a week after adding them to a tank, as a safeguard against even the briefest of mini-cycles.

3. A new tank does not have the necessary biofilm/aufwuchs to properly feed otos. Yes, they will eat diatoms that appear as new tanks are becoming established — but that's not a ready, ongoing source of food. Your tank really will need to age and become fully established for there to be a full complement of aufwuchs for your otos to eat. Although it is possible to feed veggies, etc. that is intended to supplement a food supply that should be present at all times and which does not exist in a newly established tank. Also, wild-caught otos may not feed on anything other than algae/aufwuchs. Most will learn to eat softened zuchinni, etc. but otos often won't eat algae tablets (dissolved or not), especially not brands containing fish meal. Look for 100% vegetable content — or buy veggie flakes from Kens Fish. (Grind them into very, very tiny flakes, add tank water to make a slurry, and then add the slurry to the tank at lights out. It makes a very fun blizzard effect, btw.) Otos do have to learn to eat the Kens flakes, too.

4. RB may have been the only resource you found who recommended waiting more than a year to add otos — but every source I've read, and multiple threads here on AC, recommend waiting six months or more to age a tank properly prior to adding otos. I think it's a bit disingenuous of you to claim that because recommendations vary you couldn't wait even a few months. Unfortunately, it's a common event for people on AC to ask for information about fish they are considering adding to a tank, then add them immediately without waiting for responses, and then argue with those who respond to the thread because they don't like the information provided.

I do wish you all the best with your otos. Keep up with the supplemental feeding and do lots of water changes to keep tank conditions as stable as possible. I really enjoy my otos — but I learned the hard way just how necessary it is to provide exactly the conditions they need.
 
Sorry if I came off like I meant to argue. Totally didn't mean that. I value every source of info I get on here. Thank you for the info you have offered also. I'm one of the people that has a serious impatience problem (admittedly) so I can be honest in saying I'd rather baby a fish like an Oto with supplemental foods and water changes than wait 4 more months (minimum) before obtaining them. I made that decision knowing how fragile they can be and believing I can handle it in the sense that if I handle it correctly I'm definitely not making them suffer by any means which is why, even though I had to take special care I still don't feel like it was a bad decision. I had heard about how valuable tank bred Otos are and I'm hoping I can find some tank bred zebras down the road (if there is such a thing). I'm also definitely on top of water changes. I was doing every other day (even before the Otos just because it made me feel better) but I'll jump up to every day for a while to make sure. Thanks for that suggestion.

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Unfortunately it is also a common event on AC for every piece of advice to be sarcastic, unnecessarily critical, every fish requires a 1000 gallon tank, and your tank must run for a decade before adding fish.

Yes, I'm exaggerating, but constant criticism and condescension is not advice either.
 
Unfortunately it is also a common event on AC for every piece of advice to be sarcastic, unnecessarily critical, every fish requires a 1000 gallon tank, and your tank must run for a decade before adding fish.

Yes, I'm exaggerating, but constant criticism and condescension is not advice either.

It is also common for those that believe they are right without considering the experience of others so become sarcastic themselves. If you combined the years of experience of the main people that have commented (they know who I am talking about), I am sure you would get over 50 years of experience. Try taking what they have to say with a grain of salt.


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