It's late at night and I'm sleepy but it's quiet enough now for me to try to collect my thoughts without getting interrupted. I still keep going in circles on just about everyone in the game but I need to try to sort this out too or I might as well not be playing.
The names and comments are just here in random order. I actually checked the player list to make sure I didn't overlook someone, it's been that crazy lately trying to stay up with the game. Sorry this is kinda rambly but it's the best I can manage at 2 o'clock in the morning.
I think FF's case against Rich is weak and the way he continues to hang on to that small detail and wave it around like it's a big thing is peculiar. Rich typed the word "vote" when he meant to say "post." A simple enough mistake for anyone to make that falls short of a significant or incriminating slip in terms of anyone's role. FF has also managed to get derailed by his own jumpiness (his word; not mine).
Pappy/Dun - Pappy's case against Dun seems valid. Dun has either been skating by (perhaps on purpose) or scrambling along to keep up with the game. I can't say for sure either way but it bears watching and warrants our suspicion. In either case, his posting style seems like he's making this up as he goes along. He tends to bounce around a lot and I've had some trouble trying to make sense of Dun's thought process. I know I've had a similar feeling about Dun before but can't actually remember which side he was on in whatever game(s) that would have been. Dun is a lot more impetuous than I am and is real good at improvising. His seeming lack of a logical thought process (to me) describing how he gets to point B from point A baffles me sometimes and that makes it hard for me to read him. I don't have the slightest idea which of them is right/wrong or innocent/evil.
The thing about Pappy is even when we're wary of him, knowing he is potentially evil, he still manages to influence us about how we look at others. For example, when I hedged on making a vote against Pir D1, Pappy was quick to question it. I'd gone back and forth about it already debating whether Pir was likely scum or not and Pappy's question helped resolve that for me. I voted Pir. In no way am I suggesting Pappy pushed me to do it, because that was entirely my decision and saying something like that would be unfair to him. But he did point out the logic of following through with my suspicion at the time and that certainly appeals to me. If Pappy is scum, that would be a perfect example of him using logic to push one innocent to vote another. And knowing me as well as he does, obviously, he would have known how effectively a logical consideration like that, right at that moment, would encourage me to make up my mind against Pir. On the other hand, Pappy could be innocent and was honestly wondering why I suspected Pir clearly enough but opted to vote Lab Rat randomly instead. That was a fair question and me not wanting to vote my "top suspect" would naturally seem suspicious and warrant him asking about it.
Looking back at that now knowing Pir was innocent, I can see Pappy encouraged me to place my vote but didn't feel strongly enough about himself to vote him too. Lab Rat was posting around the same time too but she actually voted Pir herself. That meant Lab (if innocent) really saw Pir the same way I did and truly suspected him or she used the situation (if evil) as an excuse to help get an innocent lynched based on an argument I'd made. Little risk to her in that case that she'd bear the flack for it later once his role became known.
Looking at the votes on Pir that night, FF and Bally placed theirs early on and both were safe votes for them to make. I think it was easy enough to see why I voted him. Lab Rat and Zaffy (if either is evil) would then have had a handy opportunity to jump on too without taking a big risk themselves.... Lab saying she thought Pir was scum for the same reasons I did and Zaffy voting there to stay alive.
Bally isn't even playing anymore and hasn't posted in this thread since DD gave her a hard time for copying/pasting her post from somewhere else. I'd be totally surprised at this point if she doesn't UD for real. She seems to like playing mafia only while the posts are still light and fun. But once the game gets too serious or too complicated for her, she just disappears. I've been scum with Bally before when she's done this. In that game, just a few hours before nightfall she promised to place a vote very soon, then she took off and didn't come back, leaving us to hang. She did the same thing to her team in the mayor's mansion game I modded when she had the mafia boss role.
I can honestly say I've enjoyed having RB in the game this time. His manner and his posting just cracks me up. From a game standpoint, however, I am suspicious of him. I'm not sure why he's doing it, but he seems to defend me or agree with me an awful lot and way too much for my comfort... to the point he's making me feel like I'm being suckered in. I know there is nothing conclusive about that, of course, as we work together on many things for the site and share similar views.. but enough that it's left me with a nagging feeling about him that I ought not overlook.
AAF... totally low profile and doesn't seem like he wants to help us in any way.
JB, Wizard, Rich, Labby... like me, they're off attending to other things. Rich and JB both seem to be current with the game while Wizard and Labby seem to be lagging behind. Even I can't tell if or when Wizard might have time to check into the game during his workday. Sometimes he can and does; sometimes he can't... and it's never within his control. Just depends on his day that day. He has been working very long hours since way before this game started and he's exhausted when he finally gets home.
Chill... along with Rich... would get my "appears most innocent" award if there was such a thing. If either of them are evil, they are making flawless posts. The main concern I have about Chill is I never never never see him as innocent even when he is. Chill and I always distrust each other in these games on a real fundamental level. And that's counting a large total of games we've played together in the past. This game for some reason, I sense that I "trust" him even more than I do Pappy. So that's very weird for me to say and I can't figure out if it's reason enough to suspect him for it.
Zaffy... I don't trust a single thing he posts in this game. I just can't tell if it's because of his game this time... or mine.
In terms of a suspect list (of sorts), the strongest "scum feeling" I have falls to FF, Bally, AAF, RB, and Zaffy. With maybes on Lab Rat and Wizard. And I expect I'll vote either Zaffy or RB in the end, but I'll wait to decide that later in the day.
