Mafia 104 - Dawg the Bounty Hunter - The Play

i don't recall ever seeing pappy so worked up and defensive in a game...



i didn't think much of it at the time, but looking back over it, i'm just not comfortable letting it slip. especially since this isn't the first time he tried to get me to change my vote. last time that happened he and lady G railroaded me. pretty sure scum won that game and LG got caught up in it.

i vote to lynch Jpappy

This makes me wonder. Thanks.
 
If you look at the order of our exchange, you'll see that I said that (that being "that's not how the game works) before you actually clarified what you meant by "forming alliances." I very literally thought you meant I could recruit players within the game thread...which is obviously not how the game works! My vote was never for that reasoning, and if you look at my case, that was only part of the progression, not the reason I suspect you. The only reason I asked for the specific game # was because sometimes people will float things out there in reference to past games without knowing which one they are talking about.

I call skating along not making any effort to find a suspect. I am almost positive your vote was the only "random" D2 vote so I find it hard to believe that everyone else found at least a suitable suspect to vote for, and you couldn't just because there wasn't anything there.

JB voted for Zaffy... and admitted his reasoning was thin. didn't have anything better to go on...
Chill voted JB... no reason given... "hot lava vote"... "emphasis on nothing"
Rich voted Kash... no reason given
DD pulled Rich's post and voted Kash... then alluded questioning

and of course according to your own statement (agreeing with Zaffy), i didn't place a random vote anyway since it introduced bias towards folks that post early and often.

so of course... i'm still just skating by... or am i missing something?


Did some one say steam train?

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You have me all confused now FF, Making decisions by the last post made?

Dun, you are really scaring me now. I do quite get the point you are driving at, I do not see anything scummy about Pap so far.
dunno, maybe i'm wrong (happens a lot to everyone early in games... and yes... i do still consider this early with the amount of players)... but i still believe he's scum. it would be scummy to vote otherwise IMO. i just think he's usually more on point and less "jumpy" if you will. maybe him feeling sick has something to do with it (it's possible), but i'm just not willing to take that chance.
 
Sorry folks my game time is going to be extremely limited till I'm back at my desk on Tuesday. Just reading to catch up is almost impossible. Playing over what I read in my head always brings me back to Zaffy. My head tells me it could be Zaffy being Zaffy but my gut says his scum.

I vote to lynch Zaffy.

The unrandom Rich thing (which I have waived back and forth on) and Zaffy's assurance that he was not turned are the things that my gut wont let go.

Hmm, so your gut just happens to make you flip flop from you thinking yesterday that it was just Zaffy being Zaffy...

I was gonna hold off to see what develops but with this game that isn't likely with just a few hours to go and nothing more interesting to see except FF flaking out on us.

I vote to lynch Zaffy.

Maybe we'll be able to get you this time?

I did already in my bleary-eyed post in the middle of the night.

Here... this is the bottom part of that.



I'm kinda surprised you missed that. It takes up half a page!

Kash, your final line about Zaffy says a whole lotta nothing to me other than you don't trust him but aren't sure. So what pushed you over the edge to vote for him?

I notice you did vote him yesterday, but that seemed more like a vote to see where other people would land. Do you think you learned anything from that?
 
This makes me wonder. Thanks.

Would you like to expand on those thoughts at all?

JB voted for Zaffy... and admitted his reasoning was thin. didn't have anything better to go on...
Chill voted JB... no reason given... "hot lava vote"... "emphasis on nothing"
Rich voted Kash... no reason given
DD pulled Rich's post and voted Kash... then alluded questioning

and of course according to your own statement (agreeing with Zaffy), i didn't place a random vote anyway since it introduced bias towards folks that post early and often.

so of course... i'm still just skating by... or am i missing something?



dunno, maybe i'm wrong (happens a lot to everyone early in games... and yes... i do still consider this early with the amount of players)... but i still believe he's scum. it would be scummy to vote otherwise IMO. i just think he's usually more on point and less "jumpy" if you will. maybe him feeling sick has something to do with it (it's possible), but i'm just not willing to take that chance.

I wouldn't call those well placed votes, but they weren't to the tune of "I'm just going to vote the next player who posts"...there's also that not-so-insignificant fact that all those people also placed a vote for D1.

And yes, it wasn't random, but there's no other way to really describe that type of vote (hence why I put random in quotes).

I'd also add that your "digging" thus far has been almost solely focused on me which seems more OMGUS-y than anything. Any other suspects?
 
oh please, pappy. i made it real clear i didn't have a good lead... and we both know i wasn't the only one. what does it matter if i made an early random vote and stuck with it or not?

i'm sorry... "random".

i've questioned other people... they've just refused to answer. on the other hand... you're giving me this WIFOM vibe and keep pushing the issue. i don't have the time to sit on here and cater to your every whim, search out every old thread, answer questions about other players votes AND shake down the entire list of players. i have kids that demand my attention and my entire network is taking a crap on pc at a time. i'm putting off getting a motherboard replaced to try to keep up with the thread as we speak. the one i was building on D1 so i could play at all...
 
I'm off for probably the rest of the night, or at least until nightfall...I'm going to use as much of the long weekend that's left as I can...but I'll leave with my final rambling thoughts.

I obviously highly suspect Dun of being scum. At first it concerned me that he would even bring up the idea that Chill and I were somehow forming an alliance based over such a meaningless post. Then when I questioned him about it he just shrugged it off. It really caught my attention when he interjected into a conversation he wasn't really involved in and brought it up again. The subsequent questioning hasn't left me feeling any better, especially considering how it took until today for him to find an honest-to-goodness suspect, which happened to be me after he decided to just pull a bunch of my posts and say I was being defensive.

Leave it to FF and AFF though to make me question my suspicions. I don't like how either of them so quickly latched on to Dun after I'd been back and forth with Dun for most of yesterday. While to some extent I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees Dun as scum, FF's flip flop from Rich to Dun to Rich is too much to ignore, especially after some comments were made about FF playing well like he has as scum. It's almost like FF decided to dumb down his game again, but I just don't know if FF would do that because whenever he makes such large mistakes he gets a train going on him anyways. AAF's comment about not wanting something from D1 to bite him in the butt later also is still in the back of my head, but no one likes it when it's a "AAF/FF pony show" at any point of the game...

Zaffy's name has been mentioned quite a bit and I just don't see it myself. I don't like how Chill said he would vote Zaffy yesterday, changed his mind, and then changed his mind again today. The shortly later Kash comes in a votes Zaffy without really stating anything about why she suspects him other than he is untrustworthy. Then again I could totally be wrong about Zaffy and eat crow if/when he flips scum.

I'm not sure what to think of Wiz. While his schedule may not allow it, I'm so used to him being more involved that it has me worried. I also wasn't to keen on him suggesting I would turn Neph after Neph had just flipped innocent as there didn't seem to be any point to that. He too has just thrown Zaffy's name out there a couple times, but without much commitment to whether he suspects Zaffy or not (I see a theme here).

I'm not one for reading JB or Lab and both have burned me probably more than once now because of it...RB's sudden switch to going after DD caught my eye as well, but her logic for going from point A to point B was too weird not to question. Rich has always been hard to gauge and playing scum with him last round only reinforced the fact that he's a tough nut to crack. He really doesn't give anything away. There's not much to say about Bally either because she looks to have given up on the game and will likely be gone after nightfall.
 
I have been going through everything and I am not sure on Zaffy. His D1 vote was a serious vote according to his own posts. His reason is suspect. When I read Rich's post I interpreted it to mean he just got the urge to vote randomly in which case Zaffy is full of stuff.

FF is FF and I am doing my best to ignore him at the moment.

I am on the fence with JP. I can see him on either scum or town. He is just too good at these games for our own good when he is scum. I would not feel comfortable losing him if innocent though he is a great asset.

As usual, I have no read on Rich or kashta.

The thing that bothers me most is that we haven't seen much of the Rat. Labby seemed to echo Kashta's thoughts on Pir D1. She then echoed my thoughts on Neph D2. She voted Pir then Neph.

As I said, it always bothers me when Labby and I are on the same page as we never view things the same in these games.

My gut says to set out a rat trap and lynch a rodent.

I vote to lynch Labby.

I will be back in time for night fall but need a break right now. I won't be gone for long.
 
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