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[Madcrawdad]

I have a question...

Let me preface this by saying that my wife is a vegetarian, while myself and our children are omnivores (eating meat and veggies). As far as I'm concerned, people can eat what they want to eat and it doesn't bother me, as long as they let me eat what I want to eat. I'm saying this because I'm interested in the answer to the upcoming question, and want folks to know that I'm not out to 'get' vegetarians. So please answer as honestly as you can.

The question I have for the folks advocating a vegetarian diet based upon the morality surrounding the slaughter of animals is this, "What do you feed your pets?" Some of you saying that 'slaughter should be banned,' frequently post pix of your dogs and cats.....are you feeding them pet food containing only vegetables and grains, or are there also animal products in their food? I suspect that most are feeding their cats/dogs food containing animal products, and just want to hear your thoughts on if it's okay for pets to eat other animals.

 

[J double R]

The question I have for the folks advocating a vegetarian diet based upon the morality surrounding the slaughter of animals is this, "What do you feed your pets?" Some of you saying that 'slaughter should be banned,' frequently post pix of your dogs and cats.....are you feeding them pet food containing only vegetables and grains, or are there also animal products in their food? I suspect that most are feeding their cats/dogs food containing animal products, and just want to hear your thoughts on if it's okay for pets to eat other animals.

if so, then their beliefs to what is good and right is to the detriment of their animals, since dogs and cats ARE carnivores, and i challenge anyone to prove otherwise.

 

[jojo22]

No your right dogs and cats and ferrets are carnivores, Which is why my pups get the RAW diet, nothing but meat bones and blood!!

 

[Cory Lover]

Let me preface this by saying that my wife is a vegetarian, while myself and our children are omnivores (eating meat and veggies). As far as I'm concerned, people can eat what they want to eat and it doesn't bother me, as long as they let me eat what I want to eat. I'm saying this because I'm interested in the answer to the upcoming question, and want folks to know that I'm not out to 'get' vegetarians. So please answer as honestly as you can.

The question I have for the folks advocating a vegetarian diet based upon the morality surrounding the slaughter of animals is this, "What do you feed your pets?" Some of you saying that 'slaughter should be banned,' frequently post pix of your dogs and cats.....are you feeding them pet food containing only vegetables and grains, or are there also animal products in their food? I suspect that most are feeding their cats/dogs food containing animal products, and just want to hear your thoughts on if it's okay for pets to eat other animals.

I don't mind that. They almost need meat to survive, while we don't. They are carnivores. I have no trouble feeding them meat.

CL

 

[J double R]

I don't mind that. They almost need meat to survive, while we don't. They are carnivores. I have no trouble feeding them meat.

CL

who's to say that we aren't carnivores? the "experts"? try going back a thousand years or so.. there was no such thing as 'tofu'.. it is a processed food. sure, eating processed plant products might supply us with a certain protein that we may need to survive, but how did we get that prior to tofu or other processed foods being invented? through MEAT. inventions and innovations CANNOT make homo sapiens' classification as an omnivore null and void. we have been omnivores since we took this form of body, and always will be, no matter who invents what.

 

[Cory Lover]

who's to say that we aren't carnivores? the "experts"? try going back a thousand years or so.. there was no such thing as 'tofu'.. it is a processed food. sure, eating processed plant products might supply us with a certain protein that we may need to survive, but how did we get that prior to tofu or other processed foods being invented? through MEAT. inventions and innovations CANNOT make homo sapiens' classification as an omnivore null and void. we have been omnivores since we took this form of body, and always will be, no matter who invents what.

Well, who cares what the experts say, the fact is that we can live with out meat and still be healthy. In most cases, cats and dgs can't.

CL

 

[J double R]

Well, who cares what the experts say, the fact is that we can live with out meat and still be healthy. In most cases, cats and dgs can't.

CL

it all comes down to personal choice. and aint nobody gonna tell me i cant eat meat. i dont go forcing meat down someone elses throat, thats their choice and i'll respect that, as long as my choice to eat meat is respected in return.

 

[jm1212]

as you should've known we werent "designed" to do anything, we are actually just trying to balance it out, the earth isnt used to all the methane, fertilizer used in the grass that pollutes the streams, the farm land that clears out much of the native habitat.
hopefully we will evolve/adapt to eating enough veggies where violence/slaughter will be a thing of the past!

you mean the fertilizer used to grow corn and other veggies?

the only true way to be considered "healthy" is to have a completley blanced diet.

really though, i agree with J double R. if i want to eat it, then thats my choice. if you want to eat it thats your choice. i want a balanced diet. "One's own religion is after all a matter between oneself and one's Maker and no one else's"

 

[wolf13]

don't get me started about organic farming. while theres no COMMERCIAL fertilizer applied, manure is applied to make up for it in large quintities (typically applied for the amount of nitrogen which means severly over applying for phosporous. also, where do you thing the manure comes from?) and the massive amounts of tillage is used to offset the lack of pesticides resulting in increased soil erosion, decreased air and water quality and sediment issues. due to that, practices like strip til and no till that are designed to minimize soil erosion and limit the movement of chemicals and fertilizer is impossible (movement of most chemicals and fertilizer is primarly the result of erosion of soil particles with the fertlizer attached to it, movement by water alone is a lot less common and using less tillage can help here as well).

Sorry, no free lunch guys. Confined livestock with a proper and followed nutriant management plan is one of the the least damaging forms of agriculture to the enviroment. high value crops like fruit and veggies either require large quantities of pesticide (cheap) or labor and expensive biological control (very not cheap) to make a markatable product. short of wiping out 99% of the human population, there is no way to sustain ourselves without large scale ag. Wiping out livestock as a commodity also wipes out the main source of nutriants for you organic folks, so you might want to be very careful what you wish for.

 

[kuhliloach]

you mean the fertilizer used to grow corn and other veggies?

the only true way to be considered "healthy" is to have a completley blanced diet.

really though, i agree with J double R. if i want to eat it, then thats my choice. if you want to eat it thats your choice. i want a balanced diet. "One's own religion is after all a matter between oneself and one's Maker and no one else's"

you don't always need to use fertilizer, i know i don't use anything strange in my gardens!