I know what is going on in the game, but am technilogically retarded. Last time I looked, that doesnt make me mafia. I will learn to do it though.
Mafia Game #4 The Play
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Well this is for sure some strange reasoning. The doctor saves Judgemax, and so it proves her innocence? How exactly? The doctor has no investigative powers at all. They don't truly know if they are saving an innocent or a mafia. I was a doctor for a brief time in a past life, and I wanted to save DangerDoll who was mafia, because I misread her as the detective. There is no way a doctor has any knowledge of anybody. They could certainly choose a mafia member - it's the risk they take. They have to go with their gut. Because she was saved, we still don't know 100% that she is innocent - all we know is that the stars collided for the first time in AC history in that the doctor and victim met eachother on the same night! (And well done! It's got to be the hardest job in the bunch - you get no answers, and hold lives in your hands. And of course, can't tell anyone your the doctor or risk a drive by, and you can't get yourself lynched either. Again, well done! Every other power role is offered at least a few investigative possibilities, but not the doctor.) It was a complete blind guess that she might be hit - but that does not prove or disprove her innocent, just because the doctor protected her. Just want to make that correction for people who keep saying it ensures her innocent. It doesn't. All it says, is that at least one person found it a risk to make sure she lived another day to talk. Which side that's a win for, will remain to be seen until either the end... however that comes. *lol*
I'm not completely in belief that she's mafia either though - the playing is too desperate and from the heart, to be contrived and an act. Boy I can't wait for the ending, oh no, I really can't, I can't wait to see who's predictions are right, and to hear it tell all.
I'm still completely suspicious of DangerDoll. Again, I find any vote I cast completely wasted against the mass torent of votes, as per Corey Lover, and as per tonight. So what to do? Hang my vote with someone accused of being erratic, and on the whim of a secretive expert? Or go with my gut, the play styles, and other suspicions going on in my head, while throwing my vote where I truly believe it deserved... but it won't really count when stacked up against plenty of others...
I'm not completely in belief that she's mafia either though - the playing is too desperate and from the heart, to be contrived and an act. Boy I can't wait for the ending, oh no, I really can't, I can't wait to see who's predictions are right, and to hear it tell all.
I'm still completely suspicious of DangerDoll. Again, I find any vote I cast completely wasted against the mass torent of votes, as per Corey Lover, and as per tonight. So what to do? Hang my vote with someone accused of being erratic, and on the whim of a secretive expert? Or go with my gut, the play styles, and other suspicions going on in my head, while throwing my vote where I truly believe it deserved... but it won't really count when stacked up against plenty of others...
I haven't cast a vote yet, and I'd like to, so it won't be considered a change, per say, just late to the game after being in bed.
I vote to lynch Dangerdoll.
I hate throwing a vote behind a ton of others, makes my opinion feel unimportant. I don't expect this to threaten her, but it might bring out a defense the townie's will really get to study.
I vote to lynch Dangerdoll.
I hate throwing a vote behind a ton of others, makes my opinion feel unimportant. I don't expect this to threaten her, but it might bring out a defense the townie's will really get to study.
OgreMkV
Father of Earth's Next Emperor
The theory is NJ, that the mafia would not choose to kill their own player. While this theory may be slightly suspect (like 0.1%) it is a possibility.
If the mafia killed JMax in the night, then she would have been revealed as mafia in the morning. Neither we nor the mafia can guide or plan for the doctors actions... QED she's innocent.
If the mafia killed JMax in the night, then she would have been revealed as mafia in the morning. Neither we nor the mafia can guide or plan for the doctors actions... QED she's innocent.
So the theory is the doctor thwarts the mafia, but saving the person they were trying to set up? Ordering a hit on her though, would in more cases likely say her list was accurate, and that she hit too close. If this was the plan of the mafia, I have to agree that they are not necessarily playing up to par - she made herself out to be a fairly obvious target, claiming to name almost all of the group. If I was the doctor again, I most definitely would have put her name on the ballet as 'most likely to be whacked tonight.' It would be a weak guess for them to assume the doctor wouldn't go after her, after she claimed secret expert knowledge which could be used to the town's advantage.
We don't know for certain (because she lived and remains unknown), but I would certainly not say that clears her 100%. Nobody's clear, especially not just because the doctor saved her. It's still a blind guess. But the question is, why the mafia ordered the hit. Was it a cover-up to throw one of their own down, and a false list, or was a foibled attempt at silencing...
We don't know for certain (because she lived and remains unknown), but I would certainly not say that clears her 100%. Nobody's clear, especially not just because the doctor saved her. It's still a blind guess. But the question is, why the mafia ordered the hit. Was it a cover-up to throw one of their own down, and a false list, or was a foibled attempt at silencing...
OgreMkV
Father of Earth's Next Emperor
Ah well good, then you agree with me. That it's only one of several theories, and none of which shine complete innocence on a person, just for being saved by the doctor. Some people are thinking that, and I don't know if they believe the doctor has investigative powers or not, hence my deliberation above.
OgreMkV
Father of Earth's Next Emperor
Like I said, unless the mafia somehow 'knew' that the doctor would protect JMax, then as far as I'm concerned, she's innocent. However, that does not mean her list is 100% accurate.
I agree with some of it and disagree with some.
However, I also think that today is effectively over. Mee-mee is going to be lynched. If she's innocent, then there is going to be some very interesting repercussions and scrambling on the part of the town.
But, even if she is mafia, that don't mean her list is accurate. I think Mad will be pulling to lynch Coler. I'll probably be after Bkw1982 and you'll be after DD.
With everyone else either following one of us or striking out on his/her own.
BTW: This last bit has moved you up slightly on the Ogre mafia-meter (TM)
Current Standings (1 is mafia and 10 is innocent):
"13" Innocent 10
bkw1982 3
charlie_stubbs 5
Coler 5
Cory Lover MAFIA 3
Dangerdoll 5
FishLady22 7
guppyguppyfish 6
Hooked Newbie 6
IceH2O Detective 10
Jensons 5
johnlarson66 4
jpappy789 5
judgemax innocent 10
KingOfTheDeep 3
madcrawdad 6
mee-mee 3
NeonJulie 7
Nolapete Innocent 10
OgreMkV 10
plantling 6
sovran 5
SHK-ATK 4
ZSandmann 8
I agree with some of it and disagree with some.
However, I also think that today is effectively over. Mee-mee is going to be lynched. If she's innocent, then there is going to be some very interesting repercussions and scrambling on the part of the town.
But, even if she is mafia, that don't mean her list is accurate. I think Mad will be pulling to lynch Coler. I'll probably be after Bkw1982 and you'll be after DD.
With everyone else either following one of us or striking out on his/her own.
BTW: This last bit has moved you up slightly on the Ogre mafia-meter (TM)
Current Standings (1 is mafia and 10 is innocent):
"13" Innocent 10
bkw1982 3
charlie_stubbs 5
Coler 5
Cory Lover MAFIA 3
Dangerdoll 5
FishLady22 7
guppyguppyfish 6
Hooked Newbie 6
IceH2O Detective 10
Jensons 5
johnlarson66 4
jpappy789 5
judgemax innocent 10
KingOfTheDeep 3
madcrawdad 6
mee-mee 3
NeonJulie 7
Nolapete Innocent 10
OgreMkV 10
plantling 6
sovran 5
SHK-ATK 4
ZSandmann 8
I'm sure it has - whenever someone casts doubt on popular opinion at the time, they're looked on without favor and not trustworthy. It wouldn't be a mafia game if a loud and occasionall opinionated person like me, was to go unnoticed and unquestioned, and of course, I am not threatened by that, nor do I feel challenged by the need to defend any of my actions. It's par the game, a game I've been out of much.
You'll note that I've ever been one to feel the need to correct or clarify, and that's what I've done - remember there have only ever been 4 doctors, it's a mysterious role and one with confusion. (Who would die first? Can the doctor save themselves? Do they know who any one is before saving them? And on and on.)
If you feel my radar has gone up, because I'm not throwing my vote behind Mee-mee, well I'm not surprised by that. But you'll note, I've never thrown my vote behind popular opinion, unless I feel a good take on someone. Which would have definitely been Corey Lover the other night, (which didn't happen unfortunately).
As you said, we each have our suspects, and indeed, what will happen will happen. But that doesn't mean I can't run with my own game, and not follow behind someone else's claims of ESP or whatever it is... I can put my vote where I strongly believe it. And then I can defend it, because mafia as you know, tend to pick people out of the blue to throw at the ever angry mob *lol*, or they line up a stack behind a train already going (which incidentally is exactly where I think this is going.) How will you tell the mafia apart, again, from a myriad of votes?? At this point, like Corey Lover, you'd expect them to throw in the towel and blend in with the crowd. With Corey Lover, I would agree, but the case isn't so clear with me like it is with Judgemax, and I don't LIKE to throw a meaningless vote into the crowd, that just feels like I'm wasting time and not doing my job by picking out the suspicious ones, and I've never voted that way before, I refuse to start now.
You'll note that I've ever been one to feel the need to correct or clarify, and that's what I've done - remember there have only ever been 4 doctors, it's a mysterious role and one with confusion. (Who would die first? Can the doctor save themselves? Do they know who any one is before saving them? And on and on.)
If you feel my radar has gone up, because I'm not throwing my vote behind Mee-mee, well I'm not surprised by that. But you'll note, I've never thrown my vote behind popular opinion, unless I feel a good take on someone. Which would have definitely been Corey Lover the other night, (which didn't happen unfortunately).
As you said, we each have our suspects, and indeed, what will happen will happen. But that doesn't mean I can't run with my own game, and not follow behind someone else's claims of ESP or whatever it is... I can put my vote where I strongly believe it. And then I can defend it, because mafia as you know, tend to pick people out of the blue to throw at the ever angry mob *lol*, or they line up a stack behind a train already going (which incidentally is exactly where I think this is going.) How will you tell the mafia apart, again, from a myriad of votes?? At this point, like Corey Lover, you'd expect them to throw in the towel and blend in with the crowd. With Corey Lover, I would agree, but the case isn't so clear with me like it is with Judgemax, and I don't LIKE to throw a meaningless vote into the crowd, that just feels like I'm wasting time and not doing my job by picking out the suspicious ones, and I've never voted that way before, I refuse to start now.
