Alternanthera reineckii "rosefolia" Vs. Amano shrimp
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Do not take advice from them anymore
Been there, done this specifically.
You need to make sure you have good light and CO2 for this plant.
Regards,
Tom Barr
Tom:
Jay Luto and I had this conversation a week ago...lol
I actually watched 3 prego Cherries dismantle my A. reinekii...they ate it up. When I mentioned it to Jay, he concurred as he has seen the same thing. We are not both going nuts! lol
You guys are funny.. I guess it's another 'every shrimp is different' claim or perhaps it's simply the prego Cherries needing A. reineckii pre-natal vitamins.
Well, we are seeing different things, but I can say without any doubt, that my shrimps are not harming any of this specific species and shrimp combo.
I have cherries and have the plant also, I've never seen it.
My observations are based on the massive growth of the plant.
If they are eating it, I'd be very glad, less work for me.
These observations do not rule out that some shrimp might like your plants for some reason. But I think it is more likly a downstream effect, something you cannot rule out either easily.
Snails and most herbivores go after weak plants, algae.
When the BGA, or plant is weaker, they get holes etc, these are weak poiints where a herbivore that normally would never eat the plant/BGA/algae etc, can get in there and start chomping.
If the plant was healthy and actively growing well etc, then the herbivore does not. We have seen this many times over many years, it's not just me here. Also, a well fed shrimp is less likely to go after the plants.
Even if you have seen in in cherries, in one case, I've yet to see it and most have not noted it.
I'm not ready to label shrimps bad for this plant at all.
I'd certainly look for other causes before addressing that possible issue.
I've heard many claims over the years along these lines and obviously keep shrimp and plants. SAE's and wallichii are a bad combo, but I've kept them for awhile without issue, still after trying it a dozen time, I made the conclusion they are a bad mix.
Try this out a few more times and try and rule out a few things there.
I'd still not take the advice that Amano's and A reineckii rosefolia are bad combo. Look elsewhere for the issue.
I'll look at the cherries, but no one has noted anything here and we have an infestation of cherries and the plant in question.
Maybe the cherries are mad at you?
Regards,
Tom Barr
I have cherries and have the plant also, I've never seen it.
My observations are based on the massive growth of the plant.
If they are eating it, I'd be very glad, less work for me.
These observations do not rule out that some shrimp might like your plants for some reason. But I think it is more likly a downstream effect, something you cannot rule out either easily.
Snails and most herbivores go after weak plants, algae.
When the BGA, or plant is weaker, they get holes etc, these are weak poiints where a herbivore that normally would never eat the plant/BGA/algae etc, can get in there and start chomping.
If the plant was healthy and actively growing well etc, then the herbivore does not. We have seen this many times over many years, it's not just me here. Also, a well fed shrimp is less likely to go after the plants.
Even if you have seen in in cherries, in one case, I've yet to see it and most have not noted it.
I'm not ready to label shrimps bad for this plant at all.
I'd certainly look for other causes before addressing that possible issue.
I've heard many claims over the years along these lines and obviously keep shrimp and plants. SAE's and wallichii are a bad combo, but I've kept them for awhile without issue, still after trying it a dozen time, I made the conclusion they are a bad mix.
Try this out a few more times and try and rule out a few things there.
I'd still not take the advice that Amano's and A reineckii rosefolia are bad combo. Look elsewhere for the issue.
I'll look at the cherries, but no one has noted anything here and we have an infestation of cherries and the plant in question.
Maybe the cherries are mad at you?
Regards,
Tom Barr
I'll show Jay this....then laugh and laugh <at him> when I see him on the 20th...lol
jennifer I think you are right! :idea: lol
jennifer I think you are right! :idea: lol
I'm not doubting your views/observations, there's no reason to. You should see them eating it and be able to come back in a day or two and see more of the plant gone etc.
Generally, herbivores should go after the new leaves, not the older leave.
Are you talking specifically about this variety of reineckii?
It's nicer, although tougher to grow than the other types.
Regards,
Tom Barr
Generally, herbivores should go after the new leaves, not the older leave.
Are you talking specifically about this variety of reineckii?
It's nicer, although tougher to grow than the other types.
Regards,
Tom Barr
Yep....I saw Jay and Mike today, and Mike concurs as his was detroyed by his Cherry shrimp as well.....and Tom, we aren't talking about beginners here...I am pretty sure Jay, Mike and myself have enough experience and knowledge to grow red temple...If i hadn't seen it myself, I would find it hard to believe.
I am thinking the Pregnant females find something elemental in this pigmented plant that they deem necessary for their babies...cherries are pigmented...the plant is pigmented....there has to be something to this.
I am thinking the Pregnant females find something elemental in this pigmented plant that they deem necessary for their babies...cherries are pigmented...the plant is pigmented....there has to be something to this.
Hummmm.......well, I'll have to add some cherries myself and see.
Which specieic variety of A reineckii was it? I have this type listed only, not the regular forms. This one is prettier and finickier
Which leaves did they go after? Older, newer?
There are certain damage characters that shrimps do.
I know you guys are experienced, that's not the issue to me, what is, is the observations you and Jay made. Was it only the preg egg carrying females and which leaves did they eat? Which variety of A reineckii etc?
I like specifics because it helps to repeat the test and confirms the little hungry beast! If I have small little Cherries, or another species/variety of plant, then I might not see it.
Was it only in the one tank?
Have you guys tried it in more than one tank?
Sorry for the questions, but critters that eat plants interest me and finding a candidate is tough to generalize about.
I spent a long time with SAE's and R waalichii and after a dozen test over severla months with several groups, I know the suckers mow the plants.
But only those plants for some reason.
Might be the case here.
Regards,
Tom Barr
It was this rosefolia variety for both Mike <Momotaro> , myself and Jay.
We all have different tanks so yes, it was in 3 different tanks. In addition, speaking for myself, my Cherries were carrying eggs at the time and dessimated the entire plant. They were not particular about old or new growth...this was all in a pressurized CO2/MH/EI tank. Their descriptions are pretty much the same....they too used the word dessimated.
We had an NJACG meeting Saturday, and I got a ton more of this red temple to see if I can repeat the scenario <wow I need to get a life> anyway I will let you know how it goes.
We all have different tanks so yes, it was in 3 different tanks. In addition, speaking for myself, my Cherries were carrying eggs at the time and dessimated the entire plant. They were not particular about old or new growth...this was all in a pressurized CO2/MH/EI tank. Their descriptions are pretty much the same....they too used the word dessimated.
We had an NJACG meeting Saturday, and I got a ton more of this red temple to see if I can repeat the scenario <wow I need to get a life> anyway I will let you know how it goes.
Sounds like a winner then.
Or a loser.
Not sure which, but does not bode well for cherries from the sound of it.
Possible you have rabid cherries?
Hehe.
I seldom use them other than for bioload and fish food and in the nano's.
I use Amano's namely for algae and CRS for pretty.
The older red ones are nice looking though
Regards,
Tom Barr
Or a loser.
Not sure which, but does not bode well for cherries from the sound of it.
Possible you have rabid cherries?
Hehe.
I seldom use them other than for bioload and fish food and in the nano's.
I use Amano's namely for algae and CRS for pretty.
The older red ones are nice looking though
Regards,
Tom Barr
