Babies and Other Fish

ariali

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One of my Mollies is having babies and I am VERY new to this whole Livebearing Fish thing these are my first and its VERY exciting!!!!!!!!! But I have a few questions 1st will all the fry be the same color as the mother or will they be different? The reason I ask that is I have some black and some silver fry but the only fish that looks like its having babies is one of my black Mollies but I could be wrong and one of my silver ones might also be having babies too. 2nd I woke up this morning to find one of my swordtails dead its sword was completly gone like it had been chewed off. I have 5 Black Mollies, 3 Silver/White Mollies, 3 Orange Burst Platies, Had 3 now down to 2 Red Swordtails, and 2 Stripped Raphael which do you think did it. I didnt know any of these fish to be aggressive. 3rd I would really appreciate some pictures of male and female fish so that i can learn to tell the difference because right now Im not sure what I have. Please Help!!!
Thanks!!
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If you have more males than females that could be causing aggression problems. Also if the tank is over crowded or if the tank is uncycled this can cause aggression. So...

1) Is the tank cycled?
2) How big is the tank?
3) What is in the tank? Is it planted? Are there hiding spots?
4) Can you figure out the male: female ratio (For livebearers a 1:3 ratio is pretty good, but it varies).

If you answer these questions we can better help you when it comes to aggression.

To answer your will the babies look like the mom question... it depends on the dad. There are all sort of genetic possibilities. It is also possible for different types of livebearer to mate together. So, you will just have to wait and see. As the fry mature their color will change.
 
jennypenny said:
If you have more males than females that could be causing aggression problems. Also if the tank is over crowded or if the tank is uncycled this can cause aggression. So...

1) Is the tank cycled?
2) How big is the tank?
3) What is in the tank? Is it planted? Are there hiding spots?
4) Can you figure out the male: female ratio (For livebearers a 1:3 ratio is pretty good, but it varies).

If you answer these questions we can better help you when it comes to aggression.

To answer your will the babies look like the mom question... it depends on the dad. There are all sort of genetic possibilities. It is also possible for different types of livebearer to mate together. So, you will just have to wait and see. As the fry mature their color will change.


Well my tank is completely cycled, its a 20 gallon tank Theres plenty of vegetation as well as rocks to hide under and I am now left with only 4 black mollies since the mother who gave birth died after doing so and 3 silver 2sword tails 3 platues and 2 Raphaels. The male to female ratio for my black mollies is 2m and 2f for my silver ones its 1m 2f for the swordtails theyre both male and the platies are 1m and 2f. As for the striped Raphael I'm not sure what they are how can i tell?
 
ariali said:
Well my tank is completely cycled, its a 20 gallon tank Theres plenty of vegetation as well as rocks to hide under and I am now left with only 4 black mollies since the mother who gave birth died after doing so and 3 silver 2sword tails 3 platues and 2 Raphaels. The male to female ratio for my black mollies is 2m and 2f for my silver ones its 1m 2f for the swordtails theyre both male and the platies are 1m and 2f. As for the striped Raphael I'm not sure what they are how can i tell?
Hum…first, can you tell us how long have you had this tank, how old the fish are, and how you cycled the tank? Can you also list your water parameters please?

Well, you have a couple of things are going on.
1) You are pretty heavily stocked, some of those fish will get over 2” and you have 14 of these fish. I was close to over stocked IMO with less than that in my 30g. Do you have plans to upgrade or maybe add another tank? You may experience more die-offs if the tank stays as crowded as it is. Plus, you have to account for all the fry you will have to house. But more on that later...

2) Sounds like when you bought swordtails you bought all males as only the males have ‘the sword tail.’ The females look just like platies/mollys. As mentioned above you need to keep the ratio in livebearers 1:3 female-male or else you will have huge aggression/stress problems. Either males will fight other males for dominance or females will become stressed to death by the males pursuing them to mate. Swordtails are by far the more ‘aggressive’ of the 3 types you have and will actively attack other males in the area. There is a change you male died due to stress from another more aggressive male, but until we know more about your set-up that would just be a guess. (Although I have seen males attack and take off pieces of other males’ tails, I assume this is to make them less attractive or more female looking to other fish, specifically breeding females?)

3) With so many livebearers you will have TONS of fry. They can give birth up to once a month every month and have as many as 20-60+ fry in a birthing PER FISH. You really need a plan for the fry. You can either let nature take its course and leave the fry to fend for themselves, or start setting up grow-out tanks now to house them. Just an FYI, most people will find out quickly that they can’t ‘sell’ the juvenile fish back to stores. Most stores won’t buy livebearers on principle, especially if there isn’t a clear delineation of parentage, which is the case for your fry. If they do, they prefer ‘pure’ stains as much as possible and pay piddly-squat. I was able to give a few away, give some to a LFS for in-store credit, but mostly my fry became food for other fish. As a result I stopped keeping them because I couldn’t let the babies go… :(
 
As for the Raphael I can't help much, but it seems like you are a bit over stocked. You also have too many livebearer males compared to females. Think of the mollies, platys, and the swords as one species when figuring out the male to female ratio. Right now it is 6:6 (1:1), 2:6(1:3) or 3:6 (1:2)would be much better. They will interbreed and harass one another.

If it were me I would pull out a few of the males. You can move them to another tank, take them back to the store, or give them away. Males are often (not always) fine in single sex group. As long as they have enough room.

Also if you want to save any fry make sure you have more space for them. Your tank does not need any more fish right now.

Good luck!
 
Rowangel said:
Hum…first, can you tell us how long have you had this tank, how old the fish are, and how you cycled the tank? Can you also list your water parameters please?

To answer you ?'s Ive had this tank about 2 1/2 years I used to have a Pirrahna in it until it died about 6months ago at age 2 from a Parasite that came along with new plants I bought.Once he died I cleaned the tank completely out.Filled it up and sat there for about a month with no fish in it when I decided I would try a diffrent type of fish.
Well all bought 2 black Mollies 4 - 4 1/2 months ago to begin the cycling process. And all my other fish are rather young I recently bought them a little over 3wks ago. My water parameters are as follows: PH is about 7.4, Water hardness is about 20ppm,Temprature 77degrees, Nitrates are at about 0 as well as ammonia. I do 50% water changes about 3 times a week.
 
I forgot to mention in my last post Im upgrading to a 50 gallon tank today so that they'll have more space but still need it cycled.And my 20 gallon tank will now be my breeding tank. As for my fry Im letting nature take its course and they've become dinner for now.Can you guys suggest the easiest way to get my new 50Gal. tank cycled QUICKLY so that I can have my 2 preg. Mollies that seem like they're ready to pop any week now seperate from the rest of the clan so that the fry might have a chance to survive. What about taking some of the water from the tank I have them in now and using that to start it? Bad idea or good?
 
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