Bad Advice from Stores!!!

Rob0504

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I purchased a 40 gallon Eclipse and a Fluval 404 (older version, 1/2 price)on June 1st, from a local fish store. The owner, who has been in business for over 10 years told me I could put in as many fish as I liked after the the initial set-up.

Another fish store owner, who I bought the stand from, said I could put in fish as well. He did mention the "new tank cycle" and to buy hearty fish. He also said "do not" change the water for 4-6 weeks until the tank completed the cycle. He said the ammonia levels will go sky high...off the charts. He said dodo notorry about testing. Some fish will die, it's part of the cycle.

Petsmart, where I purchased some miscellaneous accessories from, said to wait 5 days before putting in fish. They did not mention the cycle.

As a result, I waited 2 days after putting water in the tank and bought fish, lots of fish: 2 4" gold severums, 2 baby green severums, one angel fish, 3 tetra skirts, and 5 neons.

Well, a week ago I was in a Pet Co store and pick-up the famous yellow fish book for dudummies I read about the new tank cycle/syndrome and it was different then what the so called store experts were telling me. As a result, I have purchased a test kit, Aquarium Pharmaceuticals (no strips), and have been monitoring the water levels. Confused and not wanting to loose all the fish, especially the severums (they are cool and smart fish), I started researching the subject more and learned that a fishless cycle would have been better, I bought to many fish, and I need to do daily water changes (top level gravel cleaning only). I have been doing just that except I think I am running higher then recommended ammonia levels...per this site. The last ten days the tank has been running ammonia levels between .8 and 3.5, 1.5 right now after a 1/3 water change. Nitrite has been running between .15 and .25. Nitrate is going up slightly, starting at 2.5 and now at 7.5.

With what information I have supplied, what is the expected time to go through the cycle? 8 weeks plus due to the partial water changes? Isn't the water changes taking out nitrate as well and stopping the appropriate nitrate build up or does most of the nitrate reside in the filter?

Last piece of data, the fish are fed twice a day for 5 minutes each feeding.

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first, let me say, f*** the guys who gave you the info at the store. secondly, your tank should be well-cycled in 2 weeks or so. and lastly, read more books! you're on the right track! :) :clap:
 
nitrate has no effect on the cycle, and nither will low amonia or nitrate levels, as long as they are there. Feeding should be done once a day no more than they will eat in 30s to a minute, with veggies, freze dried or frozen foods(vary what you feed them) given atleast once a week.
 
Rob0504 said:
. . .doing just that except I think I am running higher then recommended ammonia levels...per this site. The last ten days the tank has been running ammonia levels between .8 and 3.5, 1.5 right now after a 1/3 water change. Nitrite has been running between .15 and .25. Nitrate is going up slightly, starting at 2.5 and now at 7.5.
You need to try to keep the ammonia and nitrites to .25 if at all possible. Do larger waterchanges of 50% and get them down. You need to do this to keep your fish healthy.

Although a lot of fish can pull through a "heavy" cycle with high ammonia and nitrites, most of them are damaged for life and often get sick very easily.

Forget about the nitrates for now.

With what information I have supplied, what is the expected time to go through the cycle? 8 weeks plus due to the partial water changes? Isn't the water changes taking out nitrate as well and stopping the appropriate nitrate build up or does most of the nitrate reside in the filter?

A cycle usually takes from 4 to 6 weeks. You'll know when it's finished when ammonia 0, nitrite 0, and nitrates ~10-20ppm

The nitrate build up is a natural part of the process and nothing to be alarmed at during cycling. No, it does not reside in the filter. It's in the water and some will be removed with every water change, depending on how much water you change out.

Roan
 
when i got my tank i read a little about stuff before i got set-up but i set my tank all up, had it goin for about 2-3 days then i went to this little fish store (i figured he'd know better than petcetera) he told me to get 10 comets(the more th ebetter) and put them in it will cycle faster i had them in for about aweek and a bit took them back for sotre credit and got my fish only one has died but he jumped into the lid cause soem tiger barbs were buggin him
 
You gotta give a good six weeks to cycle a brand new tank.
 
Chuck_T said:
when i got my tank i read a little about stuff before i got set-up but i set my tank all up, had it goin for about 2-3 days then i went to this little fish store (i figured he'd know better than petcetera) he told me to get 10 comets(the more th ebetter) and put them in it will cycle faster i had them in for about aweek and a bit took them back for sotre credit and got my fish only one has died but he jumped into the lid cause soem tiger barbs were buggin him
This is a great example of very bad advice from an LFS. Actually, you probably would have gotten better advice from Petcetera than this.

Roan
 
Thanks everyone for your input. I'll keep changing water and back off the feeding...its hard to do as they just want to eat, eat and eat.
 
Rob0504 said:
Thanks everyone for your input. I'll keep changing water and back off the feeding...its hard to do as they just want to eat, eat and eat.
that's fish for ya! :joke:
 
i smoke copious amounts of pot my post before it was actually alot longer that the tank has been set up.and the guy at this fish store knows his shat (kinda like a wierd fish guy plus hes homo if that adds anything)
 
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