Bloody Parrot.....yea....or.....nay?

Do you agree with the bloody parrot creation?

  • Yea

    Votes: 21 30.0%

  • Nay

    Votes: 49 70.0%
  • Total voters
    70
Oh man

Well, I have always been against BPs... I'm sure many people have read my posts.

I don't feel like going off on why BPs are terrible, haha.

The more thinking and reading I have been doing the more Tiger15's idea of the mutant makes sense. However, there are arguements for both sides.

Supporting Mutants:
This fish has a very weird body shape. Odd at best, their lips sometimes are so deformed they look shut! This is something one would expect to see in a deformed fry. A few of my african cichlid fry look funky, some have one eye or wierd faces. I destroy those to promote the distribution of healthy fish. BPs kind of remind me of a grown out, mutant.

No one has come up with a formula for the BP. All of it is speculation and such, guessing at possible crosses. Every lfs, gets them from 'some place' no one can remember. Its very sketchy. I mean, SOME hobbiest would have come up with it by now!

Reasons it could be a hybrid:
If it is a some super cross coming out of Asia (4 or 5 different fish involved). I wouldn't expect the breeders to tip their hand. People buy these damn things like hot cakes. That being said, it would be hard to recreate a super cross at least not by luck.

If this fish was a mutant, how is it being produced in LARGE numbers?
I am trying to think of another example of this. In the herp world, the "blizzard lizard" was a result of just random luck. The siblings were bred back to the parents and that line was formed. Now the price is dropping and they are becoming more popular. That info is from back when I bred leopard geckos, so I don't know how accurate it is now. :o

All Blood parrots would have to come from the same line of freak Midas/Devil parents. A lot of board members breed RDs and none have reported mutant babies.

That would led me to believe either there is one pair of fish which produces more than a few 'mutants' per batch of fry. OR ...it is a very complicated cross.

Hahah, I hope some of that made sense. My biggest problem with the BPs and FHs etc. is if they catch on to the SUPER mainstream, fish breeders will start focusing on breeding them to meet the popularity. They have limited breeding facilaties and we will see less of this fish we used to see and more of these freaks. Who knows, Oscars could be a thing of the past... haha that will be the day.

ttl
 
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Re: Oh man

Originally posted by tuthelimit
All Blood parrots would have to come from the same line of freak Midas/Devil parents. A lot of board members breed RDs and none have reported mutant babies.

That would led me to believe either there is one pair of fish which produces more than a few 'mutants' per batch of fry. OR ...it is a very complicated cross.

Hahah, I hope some of that made sense. My biggest problem with the BPs and FHs etc. is if they catch on to the SUPER mainstream, fish breeders will start focusing on breeding them to meet the popularity. They have limited breeding facilaties and we will see less of this fish we used to see and more of these freaks. Who knows, Oscars could be a thing of the past... haha that will be the day.

ttl
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Actually, mutant Red Devel that resemble BP had been produced in Florida fish farm long time ago but they were trashed. The Asians propagate them, not for their deformity, but for the intense red that come with the deformity. The newer generation of BP have normal mouth that looks like an intensely red and short Midas. I bet it is cross back with normal RD.

You concern that the freak will take over the original breed has already been occuring in many ornamental fish. All live bearers in the trade are hybrid, mutant or line breed that are different from the wild. Red Oscar has replaced the wild type in the trade. No one breeds the wild type Angels or Discus, only the hybrid and line breed varieties. Wild short fin betta Splender are never available in store, only the long veil strain. Even the Red Devel isn't pure, but contaminated hybrid of two species. Ornamental fish is for fun and whichever is more appealing and sellable will inevitably become the main stream.
 
I don't know about that,i can still find short finned bettas and not very colourful guppies,this is because they are caught,feral but wild species.The parents of BP are hybrids themselves unlike flowerhorns,no wonder they are infertile,unlike flowerhorns
 
"Wild short fin betta Splender are never available in store, only the long veil strain. "

LOL. not where i come from. i get to find any Betta I want, cept for halfmoons and those nice crown tails.

whatever....

Oscars(regardless of color) are not Hybrid. Neither are long tailed Bettas. Neither are guppies. goldfish? IMHO neither are they, just that they have evolved the most in comparison to other fish in the world (how did 1 type of goldfish end up with so many type? haha)


"If this fish was a mutant, how is it being produced in LARGE numbers? " - TTL

boy i sure like the sentence from TTL's posting. this sentence hits it just right. do we need to watch more X-Men? let's say Jean Grey and Cyclops have a baby (did they have yet? i'm not updated in the story).... what power would it have?

comics aside, i believe hybrids are here to stay whether we like it or not. i don't like them either. have you people seen blue parrots and green parrots? i'll try to get a pic of them when i can. i've seen a farm here have them in stock before.

but again my emphasis is that whether they're hybrids or not, whether we like them hybrids or not, most importantly we take good care of our fish irregardless of their origins.

btw, somebody correct my grammer here, should it be "regardless" or "irregardless"? i mean to say we should take good care of our fish no matter how they were created.

my apologies to all those who misunderstood my statement due to my error in usage of words.
 
Goldfries, from where you live you can catch wild Betta from the pond and I love to see some for sale here. All long veiled fish are handicaped mutant that won't be able to escape from predation in the wild.

"Regardless" is the right word, not "Irregardless."

"All live bearers in the trade are hybrid, mutant or line breed" means that live bearers can be one of the three but not necessarily hybrid. For example, red swordtail is a hybrid of Red Platy and wild Green Swordtail. Fancy guppies are pure breed line bred strains. Swallow Tail Molly and Hi Fin Platy are mutant. There are so many hybrids and line bred strains among Platy, Variatus and Molly that it is impossible to find pure strain today. Red Oscar is not a hybrid but selective line breed 30 years ago in Singapore.
 
Tiger15
Im not disagreeing with you at all. I was not aware of the "new" BP. I am aware of the ornamental fish trade. It was never a huge concern of mine because I keep cichlids. Very hypocritical I know. Now the problem is greater and once common fish are very rare.

ttl
 
I don't really care for these fish. I did buy two jbparrots for my daughter, and yes, I knew how they came to be. I personally didn't like them, but, it was her present and she really wanted them. We take good care of them, and their colors have changed from what they were originally.

They have gotten bigger, and the colors prettier. I have come to like them more. I will not buy anymore of them, cuz I don't agree with the dying. Hybrids...depends how the fish looks. More so if done naturally than by man.

But each to his own. Some people like them, so don't.
 
bloody parrots

lets face it guys these beautiful creatures have already been bred (cross bred that is) and there is nothing we can do about that nor is it their fault, in my opinion they all deserve a good home whether we agree with the creation of them or not. I have 3 and I love them.

So I guess If you are really against them don't buy them but they will still be created anyway so why not give them a loving home and a chance.

I do not however agree with the dying of fish, I think that is cruel punishment to put any living creature through, and blood parrots need not be dyed because as you can see they will become a beautiful color on their own once they reach adulthood..

Look at it this way: If a purebred persian cat was bred with a domestic wouldn't the kittens deserve a loving and caring home??
 
again my emphasis is that whether they're hybrids or not, whether we like them hybrids or not, most importantly we take good care of our fish irregardless of their origins.

by the way, have you people seen it? do you people want to see it? there's quite a number of them here. since i am getting a digicam soon i thought i'd offer to snap some weird fish to show.

from the country where LH comes from (estimated 95% - in terms of quatity - of the fish sold here are LHs.) and available in many many types of beautiful markings........i think the people just one day thought "hey let's make BP look like LH too." and Voila! There i saw LH marked BPs.
 
Same here,it is like a trend,you can get addicted and prepare to empty your wallet but when this fish is popular,other popular fish get their price lowered,full grown red aros for $3500,cheap for a red aro
 
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