cherry red massive die off :(:( HELP!

If there is detectable copper in your tank it can't be from your substrate or dosing otherwise the shrimp in my own tank would have been dead long ago.

Of course we are all assuming copper here, which makes sense as it is known to be harmful to inverts. Is there maybe anything else that has came into contact with your tank? Soap or some kind or aerosol such as air freshener?
 
down to 2 shrimps now, just saw two more die right in front of me, it would flip over and lie on its back until the legs stop kicking. I already did a 50% water change, what is going on?!:(


no soap etc, am very careful when i work in my tank, always wash my hand thorougly and use those long rubber sleeve gloves i got from big als. Most times my hand never goes in the tank.

The only reason i can think of now is pesticide on the plants? but they have all been in my tank for more than 3 weeks, and before putting it in i rinsed it in a bucket of water?

arg what's going on! this blows.. another 100 bucks down, not to mention all the time and q tank setup i wasted just for those shrimps, only to have them all die in the new tank.. :mad:

gaga
ps forgot it's sunday, petshop closed. will have to go tomorrow after work to get the copper test kit.
 
reiverix said:
If there is detectable copper in your tank it can't be from your substrate or dosing otherwise the shrimp in my own tank would have been dead long ago.

Of course we are all assuming copper here, which makes sense as it is known to be harmful to inverts. Is there maybe anything else that has came into contact with your tank? Soap or some kind or aerosol such as air freshener?
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i am not too sure it's copper either, because all the tiny snails are doing just fine. If it's copper, wouldnt they die too?
 
Can you move the remaining two back to the 10g or did you dismantle it? I would think about doing serveral large back to back water changes, like 75% each change.

I'm trying to rack my small brain here. As far as I know aquarium plants don't get treated with pesticide, at least I hope not or it will cause me to panic. Plus I'm also positive that snails are copper sensitive so it might be worth looking for another culprit. So there must be something in your new tank that's not in your 10g, causing the die offs. Whatever it is, it is fast acting and deadly. For the life of me I can only think of something the tank has come in contact with. Bleach or some other household product. Maybe something outside like people spraying for weeds.

I wish I could be of more help. Cherries are usually quite the little tough guy. My own experience at shrimp killing was when I first set up my planted tank and had so much algae I decided to bleach my driftwood. I had a 5g bucket ready with a 10 : 1 solution of bleach to water ready. When I removed the wood from my tank, 6 amano shrimp jumped from holes in the wood right into the bucket. I got them out as quick as I could but they all died, not straight away but kind of like how you are describing your own misfortune. So take it from me, it sucks, but it doesn't mean you will be unsuccessful with shrimp.
 
gagaliya said:
yeah....

hey roan, any reason why you deleted the post about the removing the anchor? although mine is made from penn plex not Lee. I removed it just to be safe.
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Because yours were Penn Plex and they have "non toxic" on the packaging. Those are the new "safe" ones :)

Roan
 
reiverix said:
If there is detectable copper in your tank it can't be from your substrate or dosing otherwise the shrimp in my own tank would have been dead long ago.

Of course we are all assuming copper here, which makes sense as it is known to be harmful to inverts. Is there maybe anything else that has came into contact with your tank? Soap or some kind or aerosol such as air freshener?
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Yes it can be from the substrate and dosing. Flourish does contain copper and I'm pretty sure eco-complete does as well. The difference between your tank and the original posters tank is the tap water. If his tap water has some copper to begin with the little bit from dosing and the substrate could make it lethal. That's why they could have been fine in the QT tank and not in the new tank. I'm not sure why the snails haven't been affected if it is copper. Maybe they can tolerate copper better than the shrimp.
 
I honestly dont think that eco-complete and flourish has enough to kill shrimp or inverts. I have a 30 w/ eco and dose w/ flourish trace and have ghost shrimp in there that have been living for several months. I also have a cherry shrimp breeding tank 5.5 that is planted and i dose it also w/ flourish trace and havent experienced and die offs. I seriously dont think that flourish and eco-complete are the culprite...unless the tap water has "high" amounts of copper
 
VTwinFanatic said:
I honestly dont think that eco-complete and flourish has enough to kill shrimp or inverts. I have a 30 w/ eco and dose w/ flourish trace and have ghost shrimp in there that have been living for several months. I also have a cherry shrimp breeding tank 5.5 that is planted and i dose it also w/ flourish trace and havent experienced and die offs. I seriously dont think that flourish and eco-complete are the culprite...unless the tap water has "high" amounts of copper
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I don't think they do either, but with everything that was posted those seem to be the only variables between the two tanks. Like I said it could be just enough to make the levels lethal. I may be completely wrong, but having that large of a die off so soon isn't normal. He also said something about plant weights that were in the tank, Maybe they are the culprit.
 
On the subject of copper, what other decor do you have? Is it new, used, from a known source? I think it Was RTR that posted once about adding some lava rock that contained copper and see snails deaths until he figured out the source. Either way I'd look at decor as much or more than the other items mentioned.

Dave
 
I was wondering that after John's comment. Possibly driftwood leaching.

Mark
 
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