cycling new tank

chrisinha

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i'm trying to cycle 10 gallon (US) tank where i want to put my mollie's and guppies' babies as soon as they're born. anyways, i've decided to cycle it with ghost shrimp (and a couple of snails). do i still need to do water changes and add conditioner? how do i do it? thanks!
 
Ghost shrimp are not terribly hard on the bio-load. I am not certain about snails, but I am guessing they are not big ammonia producers either. In my opinion you really should have gone fishless for a grow out tank.

So, now you have them, no turning back, right? So yes to water changes and using conditioner. A couple of key points: Make sure the conditioner you use is appropriate for your municipal water system. If it has chlorine, any basic dechlorinator will work. If it has chlorine and chloramines then you need to use a product that eliminates chlorine and ammonia. Please note that some water conditioners will say they "neutralize" chlorine and chloramines, but please be cautious as most times those remove the chlorine component of chloramines and leave the toxic ammonia in your tank. I know my water has chloramines. I have used both Amquel and Prime and rather like Prime. I did a test with Aqua-Safe, from Tetra, and it left ammonia in the test water, while the control water with Prime had much lower levels of ammonia.

As to how you accomplish water changes: I use a product called a Python. It removes water from my tank as it vacuums the substrate. After that, I turn a knob and it refills my tank. As it is refiling, I add the Prime to get rid of the chlorine and ammonia. Also, there are times when I want just a little tank water in a five gallon bucket, so I use a gallon pitcher (please note this is a pitcher I use only for tank purposes so it is only rinsed in dechlorinated water with no soaps) for that purpose. In this water, I will rinse out my filter media and shake off any nasty stuff (usually plant debris in my case) and then add the media back to the filter.

One last thing; if you do not already have testing kits for ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and possibly pH, you are going to need them. I suggest just ordering a Master Test Kit online from Big Al's as it is much cheaper than buying all of the tests separately. These tests will help you monitor your cycle as it progresses and keep track of general water quality once your tank is up and running. With regular testing you can avoid disastrous spikes of toxins that occur in tanks normally.

I hope this helps and good luck with the fry tank!

PS: One last thought, what were you going to do with the ghost shrimp once you added the fry to this tank? I have ghost shrimp and can tell you from first hand experience, they love to catch and eat fry.
 
Harlock said:
Ghost shrimp are not terribly hard on the bio-load. I am not certain about snails, but I am guessing they are not big ammonia producers either. In my opinion you really should have gone fishless for a grow out tank.

i know, the only reason i'm doing with ghost shrimp and snails is because i had actually got them for my puffers to eat, but they died from unknown reason (maybe parasites); so, i couldnt put them in my community fish tank (besides it's overstock- i'll be upgrading it soon). anyways, i cleaned the tank and started a new tank with the ghost shrimp in it. no, i dont i want to return them, but i dont know what im going to do with them later.


Harlock said:
So yes to water changes and using conditioner. A couple of key points: Make sure the conditioner you use is appropriate for your municipal water system. If it has chlorine, any basic dechlorinator will work. If it has chlorine and chloramines then you need to use a product that eliminates chlorine and ammonia. Please note that some water conditioners will say they "neutralize" chlorine and chloramines, but please be cautious as most times those remove the chlorine component of chloramines and leave the toxic ammonia in your tank. I know my water has chloramines. I have used both Amquel and Prime and rather like Prime. I did a test with Aqua-Safe, from Tetra, and it left ammonia in the test water, while the control water with Prime had much lower levels of ammonia.

omg, you have no idea how i've been struggling to set up my tanks exactly because of this ^^ my tap water readings are 1.0 ppm for ammonia!! i used amquel plus with no results, so i switched to Prime. i think it works better for me. Even Bio-safe (from Marineland) seems to be better in my case. i have all kinds of de-chlorinators you can imagine: amquel plus, prime, bio-safe, novaqua, etc. I do have a master testing kit for ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and ph from Aquarium Pharmaceuticals, and extra testing kits for GH, KH and copper.

thanks for your reply!! ;)
 
Why cycle if you have an active tank?

Just import some bacteria. Set up the filter you are going to use on the new tank temporarliy in the old tank along side the old filter. Let it run for a week or 2 if you have that much time. If you do not have that much time, take the filter from the old tank and clean it well in tank water and dump that water into the new filter. Let the new filter tank run for about 24 hours, test for ammonia and nitrite. The babies should be a very small load on the filter. Do use a stocking over the filter intake or a sponge to keep babies from ending up inside the filter, I lost a lot of guppies that way -- probably a good thing as the tank would have been overpopulated otherwise!

When you set up the new tank, use the right conditioner, as discussed.
 
no, no! the old tank doesnt exist anymore, cos i dismounted it cos i think some kind of parasite/bacteria killed my puffers. anyway, i threw out the water, gravel, decor, etc... i've just kept the filter media. i started the tank off with new water and put the ghost shrimp and snails back in it.

just out of curiosity i tested my TAP water for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate a while ago. the readings were:

ammonia: 1.0 ppm
nitrite: 0 ppm
nitrAte: 20

then i tested the tank water, and the readings were:

ammonia: >.25
nitrIte: 0
nitrAte: 20

so, what am i reading here??? i'm guessing it's the tap water w/ the conditioner what i'm reading. the ghost shrimp + snails are not making any difference at all??
 
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