Diatom Advice

abstrohl

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I am hoping to get some feedback about whether to add a UV or diatom filter following my first bout with green water algae bloom! Replaced my carbon with purigen about 2 weeks ago, and just 2 days ago I get cloudy water (maybe relted, probably not).

I have a 46 gallon bowfront african cichlid, planted tank with the following specs:

Nitrates: 20-30ppm
Nitrites:0
Ammonia:0
pH:8.2

Coralife 2X96w 50/50 and 6700 running 8 hrs/day

Dosing Seachem Flourish, Nitrogen, Phosphate, and Excel once a week.

Two AC70 filters: Sponge, Purigen (in one), Filter Floss, BioMax, and crushed coral (in one). NO carbon.

10-20% Water changes weekly.

So what do you guys and gals think? Do I need to add a UV or diatom filter to prevent another bloom? Or just deal with them as they come? If yes, do any work without canister or similar filter?
 
I would go diatom and did. I use mine often and why I like it better is, UV bulbs are expensive. Also you can vacume your tank out with the attachment.
I have 3 tanks set up right now and don't run it. I just use it instead of doing water changes. I can vacume out my whole 90 gal before it clogs up. I also don't need to have all those buckets of water sitting around.

I have to wonder about running a UV or diatom all the time. They don't only take out the bad bacteria but the good. I wonder what that doese to a fishes amune system? I guess it doesn't matter if your always going keep that fish in the same tank.
 
a UV light it doesn't kill the good bacteria in the filter. mostly the bad bacteria is out there in the water either on the fish or making the water cloudy, which is why the UV is effective. the good bacteria generally stays put. however, having the uv running all the time isn't too great for the fish. some exposure can bring out nice natural coloration, too much can darken them up (guppies will turn completely black) and cause other problems. then again, i am unsure how exactly uv is used to clean the tank vs. as additional light source just for fish.
so just ignore this if it doesn't apply. k thx.
 
It doese aply to me. That would also mean the good bacteria would also stay put in the other filters if running a diatom.
I would also imagine there would be a large amount of it left in the gravel. So thats good news.

I am still going to stick to the way I am doing it. I know any bacteria moving in the water curent will be stripped out and I think the fish will grow stronger with it.

I still lean towards the Diatome over UV because of the vacume. If your running a UV you still should vacume.


Oh, forgot to answer one of your Questions about canisters.
A diatome is kind of like a canister filter. All the water is pumped threw a jar and the Diatom earth coats the filter bag. It catches the bacteria and other dirt. It keeps working till the bag gets clogged. You will know when its time to clean it out because the out hose will have very little water curent.
Then you wash it out and add new dirt. It's very cheep to run.
 
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IMO it's better to find the source of the problem and correct that. Diatom filters provide a quick fix which IS appreciated, but they are not intended to be run all the time as they do strip everything. They are more of a water polisher than a filter. Over time the problem will return. A UV sterilizer is a permanent application, but more costly in bulbs like stated above.
Purigen has never made my water cloudy.
How old is the tank? Did you recently change all the filter media or the gravel<---bacteria bloom.
How heavily planted is the tank? A lot of planed tanks will give off a green tint.
How old are the plants--they should be using up those nitrates and helping you keep them around 10. You might be dosing too high with nitrogen
How old are the bulbs? Replace powercompacts every yr--flourescents 6 months.
I typically do everything, then add back when I have a problem. Sort of revers process of elimination to find the problem<--quicker results than removing one element and waiting.

In any case, it's most likely excess nutrients causing your problem. I would stop dosing with the plant food first and see if that works.
 
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wataugachicken said:
a UV light it doesn't kill the good bacteria in the filter. mostly the bad bacteria is out there in the water either on the fish or making the water cloudy, which is why the UV is effective. the good bacteria generally stays put. however, having the uv running all the time isn't too great for the fish. some exposure can bring out nice natural coloration, too much can darken them up (guppies will turn completely black) and cause other problems. then again, i am unsure how exactly uv is used to clean the tank vs. as additional light source just for fish.
so just ignore this if it doesn't apply. k thx.
Usually a UV sterilizer is a tube with a UV light contained inside. A pump moves the water through it via hoses. I've never heard of putting a UV light on top of a tank? Definitely a cheaper way to go though, but as quoted, probably not good for the fish<----it would give them sunburn!!!--lol
 
i'd agree with rbell. find out the cause of the problem and fix that, rather than putting a temporary bandaid on the problem. if you fix the cause, you'll get rid of the problem and it won't come back. if you use a diatom filter, you'll fix the problem but it WILL come back because the reason for the problem is still there.
 
my boyfriend has an 8-inch UV light that he uses for his aro. he'll have it on a couple hours a week total and the arowana loves to swim under it. has turned him from plain silver to giving him a rainbow on each scale, more natural in-the-wild coloration. UV light has a beneficial effect for many fish, however, there can definitely be too much of a good thing, which is why the lighting is limited.
 
UV light has a beneficial effect for many fish
actually not. Ultraviolet refers to all electromagnetic radiation with wavelengths in the range of 10 to 400 nanometers, or frequencies from 7.5E14 to 3E16 Hz. The UVA range is wavelengths from 315 to 400 nanometers. Wavelengths from about 345 to 400 nM are used for "Blacklight" effects (causing many fluorescent objects to glow) and are usually very slightly visible if isolated from more visible wavelengths. Shorter UVA wavelengths from 315 to 345 nM are used for suntanning.

UVB refers to wavelengths from 280 to 315 nanometers. These wavelengths are more hazardous than UVA wavelengths, and are largely responsible for sunburn. The ozone layer partially blocks these wavelengths.

UVB lasers are considered less hazardous than UVA lasers, since UVB is more easily absorbed by various fluids and tissues in the eye and cannot reach the retina in significant amounts. UVB also does not penetrate as deeply in the skin as UVA. However, the deadliest types of skin cancer (malignant melanomas) start in the epidermis, an upper layer of the skin. UVB is largely blamed for these cancers, although shorter UVA wavelengths are considered possibly cancer-causing.

UVC refers to shorter UV wavelengths, usually 200 to 280 nM. Even shorter wavelengths from 10 to 200 nM are usually considered separately as "Vacuum Ultraviolet" since they are absorbed by air, although these wavelengths are also considered a shorter range of UVC. Wavelengths in the UVC range, especially from the low 200's to about 275 nM, are especially damaging to exposed cells. Such shortwave UV is often used for germ killing purposes.

Shorter UVA wavelengths cause suntanning. It is widely believed that UV suntanning is not completely safe no matter what you do. Possible ill effects include skin cancers and accelerated aging of the skin.

UVB is much worse, inherently irritating. The skin is designed to take small amounts of UVB and recover, but nothing is perfect here. You probably want to avoid any significant UVB exposure unless a physician recommends UVB exposure for medical purposes.

UVC is even worse, but less penetrating since it is easily absorbed. The outermost portion of human skin is made of dead cells. This layer sometimes gives partial protection from UVC, especially shorter wavelengths. However, don't count on this. UVC is quite damaging to living cells and has nasty burning effects.

EYE HAZARDS

UVA has one nasty effect on eyes, known as "nuclear cataracts". This is a permanent "tanning" of the lens of the eye. "Nuclear" refers to this occuring mainly in the center of the lens of the eye. You need lots of heavy exposure to get this. Nuclear cataracts occur mainly among people who work outdoors.
Although incandescent blacklights emit wavelengths that cause nuclear cataracts, they are largely safe since you typically get less UV exposure from these than from sunlight. Even considering the fact that your pupils are wider under blacklight than under sunlight, there is so much less UV that it is safe to stare into the bulb from a few feet away for large amounts of time. (No warranty, so I don't recommend this.)
Fluorescent blacklights are worse, but are usually comparable to sunlight when you are a couple feet away. Although I have yet to hear of eye damage blamed on reasonable use of blacklights, those who are around them a lot may want UV blocking eyewear.

Persons who have had cataract surgery need extra protection, since the lens of the eye largely absorbs UV. The retina does not like strong exposure to UV.

It should be noted that UVA-related eye damage involves a process with at least two steps. The first step (excitation of tryptophan or related molecules) normally reverses itself. Damage requires excited molecules to receive additional UV before they de-excite. This means that UVA eye damage is not linearly proportional to the intensity of exposure, although it may be proportional to the duration of exposure of a given intensity. UVB is worse on eyes than UVA, and can burn the cornea and the conjunctiva. UVC is especially burning to the conjunctiva.
 
i meant beneficial as far as bringing out natural coloration, which i have used as examples in both of my posts in this thread. other than giving a copy and paste "science" lesson that is mostly irrelevant (from a site about different kinds of light bulbs), did you find anything that discusses the effects of uv light use on fish? naturally fish are exposed to sunlight, albeit diffused, throughout the day. using a uv light for short periods of time will act as artificial sunlight.
 
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