disorantated

I would get it out of there and dispose of it. How about this. A small plastic bag, preferably deep so you have a sizeable "handle". You net the fish, drop it in the bag, and with one good whirl, thump it against the side of the (tank, stand, window sill, kids head) whatever you feel is appropriate. That 15 seconds the fish is "feeling" anything is trivial I.M.O..

Bonus: If you wack it against the side of the tank, it may encourage the rest of the fish to swim more energeticly (sp?)! :D
 
Re: disorantated topic

Originally posted by wetmanNY
All along, I've been quietly wondering, is "disorantated" what you are when you're wandering in the Algerian desert and can't find your way back to port?

Carry on. forget I said that...

But Wetman....if the Algerian desert has a port doesn't that mean its on the sea? I mean its a beach then, right not a desert? An incredibly huge one nonetheless its still all sand...but if you're using alcohol as an anesthetic (Stoli+ lemon wedges works for me) and you get wacked by a drunken fish in a ziploc in the side of the head-yours not the fish-I mean the fish is drunk
can't stop...help...looping...

{{{{{ gaaaah! the pain in my head }}}

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Seriously, Partyanimal there isn't much you can do at this point except accept the inevitable. Good Luck!

Tracy
 
of course fish feel pain...which is the main reason we're discussing euthanasia...2 put the fish out of its misery!!
im sorry, but what sort of fishkeeper doesnt care what their fish feels? freezing the fish is CRUEL...alcohol as anaestetic is CRUEL...whirling the fish around in a bag is CRUEL! simply net out the fish, cover it in a tissue and hit it with a hammer! fish do feel pain...but it wouldnt feel this as it wouldnt know it will be happening (do it as quick as you can), and it would be dead instantly. thank you for your time.
 
Some people (like me) just could never do the hammer thing.

I've had to put down fish on two occasions.

First time, I tried the alcohol/water thing. The fish swam around for a long time. That broke my heart; I would never do it again.

Next time, I found this formula: 1 mL clove oil, mixed with 4 mL vodka = a 5 mL solution for 1/2 gallon of water. The vodka is there only to make the clove oil mix with water, as otherwise it would float on top. (I ordered clove oil at the pharmacy, it's used for deadening toothache pain. It cost me $4 Canadian for an 8 mL bottle; I bought a child's dosage dropper for measuring.) The fish was out in under 10 seconds. NOTE, this only anesthetizes the fish, it doesn't kill it. After it is out like a light, then put it in the freezer, or keep it in the solution for several hours.
 
its all to do with the nerves. the nerve endings send the reaction to CNS, which is either the spine or the brain. simple science. are you saying it is acceptable to freeze tropical fish when it comes to a case of euthanasia? slowing down their metabolism would kill them, but it would be a slow, like the alcohol anaestetic. causing the fish PAIN. it would be CRUEL. i dont believe people who would put their fish through this should be allowed to keep fish. well, my view is that backed by the OATA (official aquatics trade association). they control the fishkeeping trade in the UK.
 
personally, i think the WAY we put down our fish is primarily for us the, the fishkeepers. weve cared for them as much as possible and when situations like this arise, we like to see them go in a way, that in our eyes, that is humane and as pain-free as possible. fish feeling pain has come up before and after reading through a few articles online, i believe that fish do not have a receptary(?) system as advanced as ours and they way they feel or sense pain is so far different from ours that we cant possibly relate. i dont believe that fish ever experience what we would consider "agony". as "cruel" as the hammer method may seem(certainly more messy), its probably the fastest and best method when you take into the consideration the fish. its over before it knows whats happening and it doesnt feel a thing. fish freeze in nature every year, so i dont look at it as cruel. they dont freeze to death the way we would. their bodies simply adjust the metabolism rate as the temperature drops and eventually shuts down on its own. ive had fish ive caught ice fishing, come back to life hours after theyve been out of the water. simply gradually bring the temperature back up and slowly but sure theyre eventually swimming around again as if nothing happened.

of course, then i filleted them, but thats probably not how you want to put your pet down. think of the hammer method as the "old yellar" way of doing it. or simply do it in a manner that is beneficial to your feelings on the matter. the end result will be the same and your fish isnt going to suffer for long.
 
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