don't "just vote"

I just voted here in Florida and everything went SMOOOOTHLY!! All the party supporters stayed well away from the entrance. I had to show to forms of ID and sign my name. There were observers, not sure from what party, but they were standing quietly behind the election workers. In a half hour, I never saw any of them say anything to anyone. I didn't see anyone with video cameras documenting anything. Hopefully this will be the norm across the rest of the state!!!!
 
aquariumfishguy said:
At 7 am this morning, we had about 30 protesters of Bush and about 15-20 of Kerry standing outside my local polling station. I guess SOME people are perky at 7 am. :p
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hehe, I'm amazed by the tenacity of some stumpers. I don't even like getting up to go to work never mind to stand in the cold with a sign! :)
 
I heard two Kerry supporters reasons for voting Kerry the other day, and I could so quickly disarm them of their reasons that it was silly.

1: Because Bush unfairly taxed the middle class
"No he didn't, do you understand how a tax cut that unfairly effected any class would not be passed through congress? the cuts were even across the board."

2: Because of Kerry's stance on the Kyoto agreement
"Which stance? This August 19th stance or his August 24th stance? On Friday 19 August, the campaign issued a document aimed at keeping the West Virginian coal industry open. It included the words, "John Kerry and John Edwards believe that the Kyoto Protocol is not the answer. The near-term emission reductions it would require of the United States are infeasible, while the long-term obligations imposed on all nations are too little to solve the problem."

But on 24 August, The Journal Times of Racine, Wisconsin, published an account of John Edwards' visit to the town the day before. According to the paper, Edwards "lamented" America's failure to join the Kyoto treaty."


Those were the issues most important to them, and they didn't have the facts right. that is why people need to be informed, and they need to agree with a canidate on more than just one area.
 
Lauren said:
I heard two Kerry supporters reasons for voting Kerry the other day, and I could so quickly disarm them of their reasons that it was silly.

1: Because Bush unfairly taxed the middle class
"No he didn't, do you understand how a tax cut that unfairly effected any class would not be passed through congress? the cuts were even across the board."

2: Because of Kerry's stance on the Kyoto agreement
"Which stance? This August 19th stance or his August 24th stance? On Friday 19 August, the campaign issued a document aimed at keeping the West Virginian coal industry open. It included the words, "John Kerry and John Edwards believe that the Kyoto Protocol is not the answer. The near-term emission reductions it would require of the United States are infeasible, while the long-term obligations imposed on all nations are too little to solve the problem."

But on 24 August, The Journal Times of Racine, Wisconsin, published an account of John Edwards' visit to the town the day before. According to the paper, Edwards "lamented" America's failure to join the Kyoto treaty."


Those were the issues most important to them, and they didn't have the facts right. that is why people need to be informed, and they need to agree with a canidate on more than just one area.
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I believe the place where all voters are fully and correctly informed on all issues regarding the candidates is called Fantasy Land. For every Kerry supporter who is misinformed there is a Bush supporter who is just as misinformed.

Is it your belief that only those people who are 100% correctly informed of the stance of their candidates on every issue should vote? Because A) That's a vote of about 78 people nationwide and B) It really doesn't matter in the end because candidates only tell us what they believe we want to hear.
 
tomm10 said:
chunksofpoooo, my point was not that voters should not bother to be informed but rather that they don't use their limited knowledge as an excuse NOT to vote.
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like always, it comes down to americans being lazy :rolleyes:
doesnt look like thats gonna change anytime soon either
 
chunksofpoooo said:
like always, it comes down to americans being lazy :rolleyes:
doesnt look like thats gonna change anytime soon either
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Again, I disagree...sort of. I won't challenge that in many ways Americans (self included) are lazy where we shouldn't be. However, the Democratic process is not some walk in the park that merely requires a 20 minute review to fully enlighten a voter. I would challenge you and anyone who complains about uninformed voters to explain to me the complex socio-economical impact of the Bush administration's foreign policy on the US.

I'm waiting. :D

Fact is, I wouldn't expect there are many people who could explain that. :eek: Does that mean you are uninformed and shouldn't vote? Its certainly not unimportant but its pretty complex. I think an aweful lot of people have at least a basic grasp of where the candidates stand on issues important to them. This country has been run for a long time on this system. Heck, until about a hundred years ago most of the voters probably couldn't read past an elementary school level and got most of their information through word of mouth!

Should you be informed as well as possible? Yup. Do you have to be to make the process work? Apparently not as history has shown. The reality is, the decisions these jokers make in office affect ALL of us so ALL of us should decide who gets elected.

*Edit* Smilies added to show I'm not getting worked up or trying to taunt/put down anyone. Just a friendly debate :)
 
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yeh dude, that was said jokingly:o

i realize this isnt a walk in the park

and if you want, i can explain the "complex"(;)) socio-economic effect that bush's foreign policy has on our nation
 
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chunksofpoooo said:
and if you want, i can explain the "complex"(;)) socio-economic effect that bush's foreign policy has on our nation
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hehe, you could try but my head would probably explode about two paragraphs in :D Either that or my adult ADD would kick in an I'd....where's my paperclip...
 
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